Standing Room Only

More From The Hearing  (Updated Throughout, Video, WRC-TV)

Room 318 of the Moultrie Courthouse was packed this morning: three defendants, four defense attorneys, two Assistant US Attorneys, one presiding judge and a gallery of nearly one hundred spectators and media.  High turnout and high interest.

Judge Frederick Weisberg got things underway by admitting he didn’t have the chance to read the latest document submitted by the defense; namely the 50 page response  to the government’s response to their motion to compel discovery.  Still with us?

Judge Weisberg said he wasn’t determined to rule yet on pending evidence and discovery issues.  Rather, he wanted to discuss the possible “Innocence Protection Act” hearing with regard to further DNA testing on several pieces of evidence, which may include the blood spot found on the comforter from Dylan Ward’s bedroom, which we only learned about this week.

Weisberg also said that at this point it was unlikely he would rule in favor of the defendants on their request for a Bill of Particulars, which challenged the government’s allegations of a two and a half year long conspiracy orchestrated by the defendants.   To the tune of 17 counts.

CONSPIRACY CHARGES:  Defense attorneys said if the window of the conspiracy spanned two and a half years then they, too, (the defense team) could be considered as implicitly involved in the conspiracy.  Assistant US Attorney Glenn Kirschner said that was certainly not the case.  Kirschner, or “lead dog” as Price’s attorney Bernie Grimm jokingly called him, proposed they would be willing to discuss a narrower window of the conspiracy charges.

THE HOUSE KEYS:  There appears to be an another issue that complicates the matter of the keys to 1509.  Weisberg questioned prosecutors whether the only overt act of conspiracy following the night of the murder was Joe Price’s alleged lying about  his brother having a set of keys to 1509  Swann Street.  The superceding indictment states that Joe Price in his interrogation failed to mentionthat Michael Price – referred to at one point this morning as Joe’s “drug addicted brother” – had a set of keys.  That document also states that in November of 2007, Price again failed to mention to Kathy Wone that Michael had keys to 1509.  

Price’s counsel Bernie Grimm stated that during his interrogation  Joe said that his keys were held by “just some contractors,” and that Price also claimed he provided a written list that included the name of his brother Michael Price.  Proving this will be tricky.  Apparently the first hour of Price’s videotaped interrogation either was not recorded or is missing .  We also heard that the written list of key holders that Joe supposedly provided is missing as well.  Did anyone check the ECB facility?  The leaky box maybe?

THE BLACKBERRY: The remainder of the status hearing focused on Robert Wone’s BlackBerry recovered at the murder scene. We learned this week that US Secret Services failed to “image”  it’s contents.  In the government’s response to the motion to compel discovery we’re told that Detective Waid saw two unsent emails from Wone to his wife Kathy and a colleague, time stamped at 11:05pm and 11:07pm respectively – the first email telling Kathy he’d taken a shower and was off to bed, the second to a work colleague confirming lunch plans for the next day.  Again, both emails were unsent according to Waid. 

The defense team is leaning on those time stamps to show that the government allegations that Robert was incapacitated, abused, and tortured for over an hour was impossible, of course by using the 10:30pm arrival at Swann Street.  Whether the BlackBerry will even be introduced as evidence remains to be seen.  Right now the emails are being considered as evidence while the defense teams consider it just an allegation.  It seems unlikely this can be resolved before the trial..

DNA TESTS:  Weisberg asked both the defense teams and prosecutors to meet soon on whittling down the 105 point list of discovery items to “a manageable number” and to agree which may required DNA testing, perhaps jointly through an independent lab.  Weisberg asked for that list to be completed and presented to him by May 15.  What sounded like a groan, possibly from one of the many firms’ associates seated nearby punctuated Weisberg’s order.  Grimm said he and his colleagues would work with the prosecutors; “we’re friendly,” he said.

Judge Weisberg announced the next status hearing for Friday, May 22 at 2:00pm.  He gave no indication of when the trial may start, “months away,” perhaps.   He also  further relaxed the conditions of the defendants’ release by ordering they no longer have to appear weekly, and can just call in by phone to DC Pre-Trial Services. If any of them are to travel outside the jurisdiction they are requited to notify of that as well. 

THE SCENE:  We got to the hearing room about 10 minutes before the gavel and it was already full so we ttok spots standing at the rear. Seats suddenly opened up as the defendants and their counsel vacated them and made their way to the courtroom well.  Front row.

The defendants were all wore various shades of gray suits. They sat together behind their respective attorneys with Dylan in between Joe and Victor.  Fromwhere we sat it appeared that  Joe and Dylan looked to be sitting closely and Victor a bit further away.  This is probably explained by the fact that Joe and Dylan were in those pedestal swivel chairs bolted to the floor that any seat a DC juror sits in, while Victor sat behind attorney Thomas Connolly in an office chair. 

Both Joe and Victor were wearing their gold commitment bands on their right ring fingers; Joe, the most animated of the three, spent much of the time with his legs crossed, occasionally chewing on his nails. 

Dylan appeared mostly expressionless and was described as one observer looking “…Caesarean…with his hair cut short and his aquiline nose.”  Victor was often seen glancing around the courtroom and focused many times on the gallery.  He whispered to Dylan during the proceedings which elicited only a nod.

As for the attorneys, Connolly seemed to be the most engaged with Judge Weisberg and handled many of the day’s chores.   Schertler got his share of time, Grimm to a lesser extent, but very little it seemed for Spagnoletti.  AUSA Glenn Kirchner with his shaved head, goatee and serious bearing has the look of a ex-Marine  wrestler  hard-ass.

Kathy Wone left the court before adjournment and was seen in the anteroom with apparent family and friends.  After Weisberg adjourned, the threesome held court in the hallway outside the hearing room surrounded by 10 or 12 well wishers.  Joe and Dylan both appeared very lively and conversant with their supporters, so lively that one observer commented their behavior seemed akin to that of a cocktail party: engaging, smiling and hugging.  Victor appeared more serious and mingled less with the crowd.

The defendants lingered inside the courthouse for the better part of a half  an hour before departing en masse, all except for Mr. Grimm.

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Bernie Grimm stayed behind to answer questions from the attending media.  This first clip shows a brief exchange with Paul Wagner, a reporter from WTTG-TV, DC’s Fox affiliate.  Wagner filed this piece.

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Exhibiting his candor, accessibility and telegenic skills, Mr. Grimm stuck around for even more interviews, this time with WRC-TV’s Michael Flynn, The Blade’s Lou Chibarro and one other reporter we were unable to identify. 

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Leaving the courthouse a small gaggle of media and cameras followed the defendants down Indiana Avenue towards 6th Street.   WRC’s Flynn filed  and ended up having the best footage. 

Joe Price (l) and Victor Zaborsky(r) Departing the Courthouse

Joe Price (l) and Victor Zaborsky(r) Departing the Courthouse

 

Although being tried together, as they departed the three appeared less as a team and more like 3 separate defendants walking away with their respective attorneys. 

 

Also note Mike Scarcella’s post on today’s events at the Blog of Legal Times and the Blade’s Lou Chibarro filed as well. Metroweekly here.

 – Michael and Craig

137 comments for “Standing Room Only

  1. Nelly
    04/24/2009 at 5:27 PM

    Excellent work, guys! Isn’t it Detective Waid, instead of Wade? Thanks for the coverage and the videos.

  2. N.M.
    04/24/2009 at 6:28 PM

    I’m pretty sure it’s Waid.

    New news report here:

    http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/042409_new_questions_in_wone_murder .

    I don’t see how anyone could be interested in that blackberry, given how easily one can change the time on the device in order time stamp emails however you want, in whatever order you want (per my earlier comment, i was able to pre-date a draft email and insert it into an earlier spot in the queue with ease). The times on these particular messages are meaningless. Does someone need to point that out to the prosecution?

    • Ex Swann Dude
      04/24/2009 at 11:06 PM

      They are not meaningless if the coroner states that “Mr. Wone ingested his own blood for 60 to 90 minutes” … they would be evidence of conspiracy and cover-up.

    • Lance
      04/25/2009 at 5:07 AM

      You know, the more I think about it, the more puzzled I am that Wone’s Blackberry would have been accessible to anyone who picked it up–i.e., Waid–as opposed to having a password lock on it. All the more so as he was apparently using it for business.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 10:51 AM

        As I mentioned in an earlier post, the letter to the JD said the officer read the emails on the scene….couldn’t have been locked for an officer to pick it up and read it. If it had been locked, they would have had to jump through hoops to get the password and it wouldn’t have happened in the span of the amount of them the officers were at the house that night.

        I think people are putting too much weight on the lock/attorney/business purposes. I know a lot of attorneys that don’t lock their blackberries.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 10:55 AM

        It couldn’t have been locked…the officer looked at it on the scene. Too much time and effort to get a password if it had been locked.

        Plus, I think too much weight is being placed on lock/attorney/business use. I know plenty of attorneys that don’t lock their blackberries.

  3. N.M.
    04/24/2009 at 6:28 PM

    I’m pretty sure it’s Waid.

    New news report here:

    http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/042409_new_questions_in_wone_murder .

    I don’t see how anyone could be interested in that blackberry, given how easily one can change the time on the device in order time stamp emails however you want, in whatever order you want (per my earlier comment, i was able to pre-date a draft email and insert it into an earlier spot in the queue with ease). The times on these particular messages are meaningless. Does someone need to point that out to the prosecution?

    • Lance
      04/25/2009 at 5:07 AM

      You know, the more I think about it, the more puzzled I am that Wone’s Blackberry would have been accessible to anyone who picked it up–i.e., Waid–as opposed to having a password lock on it. All the more so as he was apparently using it for business.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 10:51 AM

        As I mentioned in an earlier post, the letter to the JD said the officer read the emails on the scene….couldn’t have been locked for an officer to pick it up and read it. If it had been locked, they would have had to jump through hoops to get the password and it wouldn’t have happened in the span of the amount of them the officers were at the house that night.

        I think people are putting too much weight on the lock/attorney/business purposes. I know a lot of attorneys that don’t lock their blackberries.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 10:55 AM

        It couldn’t have been locked…the officer looked at it on the scene. Too much time and effort to get a password if it had been locked.

        Plus, I think too much weight is being placed on lock/attorney/business use. I know plenty of attorneys that don’t lock their blackberries.

  4. N.M.
    04/24/2009 at 6:32 PM

    “After Weisberg adjourned, the threesome held court in the hallway outside the hearing room where they were surrounded by well wishers. Joe and Dylan both appeard very lively and conversant with their supporters, so lively that one observer commented their behavior seemed akin to that of a cocktail party: engaging, smiling and hugging. Victor appeared more serious and mingled less with the crowd.”

    Who are these people? How can they do this? Is Price paying them to be this craven? Its… ghastly.

  5. 04/24/2009 at 7:33 PM

    fabulous coverage. slightly disappointed the video did not get me a glimpe at dylan the depressed. what an ironic image you created — dylan sitting between the happily married couple! very rich.

    so glad the girls got to socialize in the halls with lance and their other supporters who showed up to cheer them on. can’t wait for the victory party at halo!

    dylan was “lively and conversent” — needham, is that lexipro or exctasy?

    oh, victor the serious — it’s not too late.

    • The Perfervid Inch
      04/24/2009 at 8:00 PM

      Thank you for doing all the reporting. I saw the news piece on Channel 4. I must say, not trying to be flippant that I thought about Price’s predilections and his current physiognomy: “Oh, sir, whip my very plump ass!”

      • Themis
        04/25/2009 at 8:20 PM

        Very plump rump?

    • CDinDC
      04/24/2009 at 8:47 PM

      Victor was looking around at the gallery…..Victor’s must be a bit insecure. Needed to see who was there to support him.

    • Lance
      04/25/2009 at 5:04 AM

      Sorry to disappoint you, SDI, but I wasn’t there to socialize with the defendants; I don’t even live in the DC area.

    • Craig
      04/25/2009 at 11:45 AM

      SDI – WRC-TV link is now up. Michael Flynn’s shooter got the money shot of the defendants leaving the couthouse.
      -Craig, ed.

      • 04/25/2009 at 12:24 PM

        thanks, craig! wonderful. i agree with other commentators: dylan looks cute; joe looks bloated.

        love money shots.

  6. Anon. in Arlington
    04/24/2009 at 8:49 PM

    It is disgusting!

    Joe: show some class and decorum. Your long term friend was murdered in your house. A majority of people in this situation would be solemn. Take your “party” out of the courthouse and down the street.

    Sounds as if it were a locker room celebration.

    • Nelly
      04/25/2009 at 6:13 PM

      Shame on them for making it a party-reunion atmosphere, and right in the presence of the victim’s wife and family. Such trash.

  7. CDinDC
    04/24/2009 at 8:52 PM

    2 questions: 1. Is Dylan really short or were those women really tall? 2. Did Victor color his hair? It looks lighter.

    • Anon. in Arlington
      04/24/2009 at 9:01 PM

      for #2, I think it was only the sunlight hitting him the whole time he is on camera. Look at how Dylan’s hair changed/lightened as he stepped out of the building’s shadow.

      for #1, we need to look at one of the legal docs – it may have been the warrent issued in Florida. They needed a physical description to serve properly.

    • Michael
      04/24/2009 at 10:56 PM

      Both Dylan and Victor are fairly short (about 5’7″) and slight of build.

      Joe is slightly taller and heavier.

      – Michael, editor

      • Anon. in Arlington
        05/01/2009 at 11:14 AM

        The arrest warrant for Dylan lists his height as 5’8″ and weight at 150 lbs.

        • Michael
          05/01/2009 at 12:07 PM

          My driver’s license says the same thing, and Dylan and I are very much the same size and build. In reality, I am 5’7″ and 130 lbs. My medical records from various physicians show similar variations. And MPD uses a wall height ruler like the banks and convenience stores, which is far from accurate.

          – Michael

          • Anon. in Arlington
            05/01/2009 at 12:50 PM

            Very true!

  8. 04/24/2009 at 9:05 PM

    i never met the man, but i heard dylan is small, slight, short (unimpressive). i can’t tell who is who in the vids so i am unable to comment on victor’s hair color. however, the perfervid inch has suggested that joe’s results membership may have lapsed.

  9. Anon. in Arlington
    04/24/2009 at 9:11 PM

    SDI: The first video above has tag bubbles to identify each of the defendants. Thanks for that added perk editors!

    Scrib crashes my internet connection – at CPUs at different locations. Anyone else have that issue?

    • 04/24/2009 at 9:18 PM

      thanks – i just watched the video again – i could swear the tags weren’t there when i first viewed. i love how grim is unfamiliar with joe’s alt profile – he may wish to review (or perhaps not).

    • Michael
      04/24/2009 at 10:58 PM

      Sometimes upgrading to the latest version of Flash at adobe.com will improve the Scribd performance.

      – Michael

      • Anon. in Arlington
        04/24/2009 at 11:16 PM

        Thanks Michael- I will try that.

      • CDinDC
        04/24/2009 at 11:24 PM

        Michael, did anyone see Sarah? Or Michael and Louis?

        • Michael
          04/24/2009 at 11:28 PM

          They were apparently not present.
          – Michael

          • CDinDC
            04/25/2009 at 5:16 PM

            Interesting that Sarah wasn’t there. You’d think if she believed her dear friends were innocent, she’s be around to give moral support.

            I’d love to know if she’s in close contact with them or if she has become estranged.

            Any Sarah 4-1-1, anybody?

  10. Anon. in Arlington
    04/24/2009 at 9:11 PM

    SDI: The first video above has tag bubbles to identify each of the defendants. Thanks for that added perk editors!

    Scrib crashes my internet connection – at CPUs at different locations. Anyone else have that issue?

    • Michael
      04/24/2009 at 10:58 PM

      Sometimes upgrading to the latest version of Flash at adobe.com will improve the Scribd performance.

      – Michael

      • CDinDC
        04/24/2009 at 11:24 PM

        Michael, did anyone see Sarah? Or Michael and Louis?

        • Michael
          04/24/2009 at 11:28 PM

          They were apparently not present.
          – Michael

          • CDinDC
            04/25/2009 at 5:16 PM

            Interesting that Sarah wasn’t there. You’d think if she believed her dear friends were innocent, she’s be around to give moral support.

            I’d love to know if she’s in close contact with them or if she has become estranged.

            Any Sarah 4-1-1, anybody?

  11. Jaime
    04/25/2009 at 12:01 AM

    Did you sense any tension between Victor and Joe? After reading the courtroom seating and hallway group description it almost sounds like the dynamics between the 3 could have changed. It’s hard to perceive 3 equals in a relationship. Joe and Victor seemed to be the main 2 in the relationship at the time of the murder. They acknowledged that as well as saying they were trying to make Dylan an equal. I don’t think you can have 3 equals. Did it appear that Joe and Dylan could be the equals now with Victor now as the third wheel? I don’t even know how to describe what I mean…sorry!

    • CDinDC
      04/25/2009 at 10:41 AM

      But Victor and Joe and continuing to live together, and the editors and other have reported recently that Dylan had moved out.

  12. Jaime
    04/25/2009 at 12:01 AM

    Did you sense any tension between Victor and Joe? After reading the courtroom seating and hallway group description it almost sounds like the dynamics between the 3 could have changed. It’s hard to perceive 3 equals in a relationship. Joe and Victor seemed to be the main 2 in the relationship at the time of the murder. They acknowledged that as well as saying they were trying to make Dylan an equal. I don’t think you can have 3 equals. Did it appear that Joe and Dylan could be the equals now with Victor now as the third wheel? I don’t even know how to describe what I mean…sorry!

    • CDinDC
      04/25/2009 at 10:41 AM

      But Victor and Joe and continuing to live together, and the editors and other have reported recently that Dylan had moved out.

  13. Anon. in Arlington
    04/25/2009 at 12:23 AM

    Would one be reading too much into Dylan sitting between Victor and Joe, or were they arranged so each could sit directly behind their attorney/attorneys?

    They would have known the possibility of a courtroom sketch to permanently capture the moment. The teams are smart – was this orchestrated?

  14. Anon. in Arlington
    04/25/2009 at 12:23 AM

    Would one be reading too much into Dylan sitting between Victor and Joe, or were they arranged so each could sit directly behind their attorney/attorneys?

    They would have known the possibility of a courtroom sketch to permanently capture the moment. The teams are smart – was this orchestrated?

  15. Fascinating
    04/25/2009 at 6:21 AM

    The judge told them to find seats, so it looked like they kinda sat where there was a seat available. I want to say that Victor seemed to be behind his lawyer. And, I may be wrong here, but it was Zaborsky’s lawyer who made a point that the government lawyer should stop saying “they” when talking about the crime. I thought that was interesting — will Zaborsky try to distance himself here??

    From my front row seat, I had a good view of Victor through most of the hearing. He had a firm grasp of the “legalizing” that was going on — he kept nodding his head. Victor did look into the gallery a lot. I know this is subjective, but he didn’t smile much — he looked grave, in my opinion. When he did smile (at both Dylan and Joe), it was a toothless grin.

    I thought Dylan was cute. Joe, I really couldn’t see much — although he did stand and whisper in the ear of one of the lawyers at one point.

    I’d never been to a hearing before and, I agree, I found the aftermath a little …. odd. It appeared as though the Wone family congregrated in a small antichamber right off the court room. But the three roommates came right out into the hallway — I was inches from Dylan. And I was truly surprised by all the people who were there in support. There was lots of hugging. I agree, it seemed like a celebration. Very odd.

    The other thing that I totally didn’t even consider, while sitting in the courtroom was that a trial room separates into “teams”, just like a football game. The judge said something to one of the lawyers at one point and I chuckled. The lady next to me gave me quite a look!! I think she was on Team 1509 Swann.

    • CDinDC
      04/25/2009 at 11:00 AM

      Great post, Fascinating. You painted a great picture. I doubt I’ll be able to attend any hearings because of work demands, so it’s great to get details from the editors and others. Thanks for sharing.

    • Craig
      04/25/2009 at 2:28 PM

      Fascinating – Thanks loads for your take. The more perspectives we can offer on the events, the better.

      My only visits to the courthouse had been as a juror on three trials: GTA (hung), DuI & leaving the scene (guilty), and Murder 1 (hung). The view is certainly different from the gallery.
      -Craig, ed.

  16. SheKnowsSomething
    04/25/2009 at 6:56 AM

    At the next status hearing and when this thing goes to trial, those of us who want justice for Robert should pack the courtroom everyday and demonstrate with signs in front of the courthouse, if necessary. These three ghouls (Victor included) are trying to demonstrate to the judge and a future jury that they are upstanding and admired fixtures in the community and are also victims of initial crime and the prosecution’s witch hunt. It is disgusting that they continue to act so outlandishly, even in the courthouse. We cannot let them get away with this grosteque charade.

    • CDinDC
      04/25/2009 at 11:03 AM

      That’s a great idea, SKS.

      • N.M.
        04/25/2009 at 11:58 AM

        I’m with you.

    • Corcoran Cutlet
      04/25/2009 at 11:34 AM

      Much as I dislike them, I have to disagree with
      my fellow contributors, with whom I have often agreed. They may be creeps, but they deserve at least a fair day in court. That is a dignified court, not a circus. To me the most important factor is how the gay community will be seen. I’m afraid the strategy you are proposing would not make
      our community look good, though it certainly has the right intention.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 7:21 PM

        Darn it…I was hoping to break out my little teeny clown car. I NEVER get to use it. ::sulking::

        • Corcoran Cutlet
          04/26/2009 at 10:56 AM

          That was really funny!! On a lot of levels.

  17. SheKnowsSomething
    04/25/2009 at 8:02 AM

    Lawyers — any chance the defense could use Robert’s official date of death in any way to try and bolster their claim that Robert was alive and not incapacitated at 11:07? I just noticed that his grave marker indicates that his date of death is August 3 and not August 2.

    • Anon. in Arlington
      04/25/2009 at 5:18 PM

      I had noticed that too and it made me wonder if the certified death certificate is what was used as the date, or the case had not evolved enough by the time the marker was ordered.

      • Themis
        04/25/2009 at 8:27 PM

        That’s probably when he was officially pronounced dead. An EMT cannot pronounce death. There was a situation a few years ago where an EMT pronounced death in a roadside situation. The guy later started moving around in the morgue or mortuary, can’t remember which. Big lawsuit.

        • Dupont Dweller
          04/26/2009 at 10:47 PM

          But I have on the authority of someone on Swann who saw the scene on the street that night that he was carried out from the house in a CLOSED bag. You can’t get more “pronounced dead” than that.

          • Anon. in Arlington
            04/26/2009 at 10:58 PM

            Then why go through the motions of going to GWU Hospital?

            • Dupont Dweller
              04/27/2009 at 9:47 AM

              Good Question. Perhaps just required to do it by law or something. But then that raises the question of whether they wouldn’t also be required to treat the person as still alive. Being in bag seems pretty far from that.

  18. CDinDC
    04/25/2009 at 2:18 PM

    I find it interesting that Grimm keeps say in “homocide cases.” It’s not a homocide/murder trial. It’s an obstruction of justice/tampering/conspiracy case. No murder charges have been levied against the defendants.

    • SheKnowsSomething
      04/25/2009 at 4:17 PM

      It would not surprise me if Grimm and Price’s strategy is to argue the homocide now, the argue double jeopardy later if a murder charge is levied.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 4:22 PM

        Absolutely. I’ve been posting about double jeopardy for a while now. It’s my biggest fear, should a murder charge be handed down.

        • Nelly
          04/25/2009 at 6:10 PM

          Nah, I don’t think there would be a problem with double jeopardy just because the defense wants to frame it that way. The defs. would actually have to be charged with it. Where is that person who said he was a criminal defense attorney?

          And, it is homicide, not homocide, unless you are trying to be punny.

          • CDinDC
            04/25/2009 at 7:07 PM

            Nelly says: “The defs. would actually have to be charged with it.”

            Absolutely….but if the defendants DO get charged with murder, and the prosecution and defense tread on the evidence at hand to0 much, the defendants’ attorneys could petition the courts to throw out any later murder charges on the double jeopardy clause.

            You cannot try a defendant on the same set of facts twice.

            It would be up to the judge, of course, to determine if every element of the crimes of tampering, obstruction or conspiracy is also an element of the crime of murder.

            So, if the prosecution pulls all their punches in the Tampering/ Obstruction/Conspiracy trial, they can’t use the same evidence for murder. Just because they call it something else, doesn’t mean they aren’t using the same evidence.

            For instance, if someone shoots someone’s window out and kills the person in the house, and subsequently is tried and acquitted for murder, the prosecution cannot later say “well, we didn’t get him on murder….let’s arrest and try him for destruction of private property.”

  19. CDinDC
    04/25/2009 at 2:18 PM

    I find it interesting that Grimm keeps say in “homocide cases.” It’s not a homocide/murder trial. It’s an obstruction of justice/tampering/conspiracy case. No murder charges have been levied against the defendants.

    • SheKnowsSomething
      04/25/2009 at 4:17 PM

      It would not surprise me if Grimm and Price’s strategy is to argue the homocide now, the argue double jeopardy later if a murder charge is levied.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 4:22 PM

        Absolutely. I’ve been posting about double jeopardy for a while now. It’s my biggest fear, should a murder charge be handed down.

        • Nelly
          04/25/2009 at 6:10 PM

          Nah, I don’t think there would be a problem with double jeopardy just because the defense wants to frame it that way. The defs. would actually have to be charged with it. Where is that person who said he was a criminal defense attorney?

          And, it is homicide, not homocide, unless you are trying to be punny.

          • CDinDC
            04/25/2009 at 7:07 PM

            Nelly says: “The defs. would actually have to be charged with it.”

            Absolutely….but if the defendants DO get charged with murder, and the prosecution and defense tread on the evidence at hand to0 much, the defendants’ attorneys could petition the courts to throw out any later murder charges on the double jeopardy clause.

            You cannot try a defendant on the same set of facts twice.

            It would be up to the judge, of course, to determine if every element of the crimes of tampering, obstruction or conspiracy is also an element of the crime of murder.

            So, if the prosecution pulls all their punches in the Tampering/ Obstruction/Conspiracy trial, they can’t use the same evidence for murder. Just because they call it something else, doesn’t mean they aren’t using the same evidence.

            For instance, if someone shoots someone’s window out and kills the person in the house, and subsequently is tried and acquitted for murder, the prosecution cannot later say “well, we didn’t get him on murder….let’s arrest and try him for destruction of private property.”

  20. Bea
    04/25/2009 at 2:22 PM

    I doubt much could be made of him being “called” dead officially after midnight. But I’m sure the defendants will try ANYTHING. It’s interesting to me that in the Fox news video (thanks to NM for link), Bernie Grimm, who is Joe’s lawyer, makes the comment that the Blackberry would help defendants establish a narrower timeline if Robert wrote the emails at 11:05 and 11:07 BUT then Robert’s widow is quoted as saying she never RECEIVED the email (they show her picture, not that she says it on camera). What strikes me is that if Joe did write but not send the emails then OF COURSE his lawyer Bernie would know to make this argument – he would have anyway, but Joe, being a lawyer, is undoubtedly more involved than is ordinary with crafting his defense.

    I am hopeful that Victor’s lawyer may have tried to distance his client from the rest – whispers of possible things to come? We can hope. I for one would love it if Victor and Joe split up though clearly Joe will do everything in his power to prevent this – wouldn’t surprise me if this was the reason for Dylan moving out. Joe has to keep Victor happy.

    I’m a lawyer and have a work PDA that I do not lock and none of my partners do either (I asked). My guess is that it was just sitting there – he thought he was among friends.

    Thanks to the editors for all their hard work and for the on-site commenters.

  21. Bea
    04/25/2009 at 2:22 PM

    I doubt much could be made of him being “called” dead officially after midnight. But I’m sure the defendants will try ANYTHING. It’s interesting to me that in the Fox news video (thanks to NM for link), Bernie Grimm, who is Joe’s lawyer, makes the comment that the Blackberry would help defendants establish a narrower timeline if Robert wrote the emails at 11:05 and 11:07 BUT then Robert’s widow is quoted as saying she never RECEIVED the email (they show her picture, not that she says it on camera). What strikes me is that if Joe did write but not send the emails then OF COURSE his lawyer Bernie would know to make this argument – he would have anyway, but Joe, being a lawyer, is undoubtedly more involved than is ordinary with crafting his defense.

    I am hopeful that Victor’s lawyer may have tried to distance his client from the rest – whispers of possible things to come? We can hope. I for one would love it if Victor and Joe split up though clearly Joe will do everything in his power to prevent this – wouldn’t surprise me if this was the reason for Dylan moving out. Joe has to keep Victor happy.

    I’m a lawyer and have a work PDA that I do not lock and none of my partners do either (I asked). My guess is that it was just sitting there – he thought he was among friends.

    Thanks to the editors for all their hard work and for the on-site commenters.

  22. CDinDC
    04/25/2009 at 4:19 PM

    Re “tightening the timeline”….I did a little research regarding electroejaculation. Some may or may not know, but electroejactulation is used in clinics and hospitals regularly for male reproductive purposes. Men that are anejaculatory can use this method for sperm collection for fertility analysis, in vitro, etc.

    The entire procedure done BY A HOSPITAL takes approximately 30 minutes. However, a hospital adds several additional steps to their procedure, which surely would have been left out of the attack on Robert. At a hospital, the patient will be given a general anesthetic, a catheter will be inserted into the bladder in order to empty it completely, and a protoscope will be inserted into the rectum to inspect the lining of the rectum to insure there are no abnormalities. After these steps, the actual electro procedure begins.

    A series of stimulations starting at the lowest voltage (1 Volt) and increasing to approximately 20V are given. Each stimulation lasting 2-4 seconds each. It is estimated that most men require no more than 50 stimulations to achieve ejaculation (not orgasm…it doesn’t not produce pleasure).

    So, all in all, 50 stimualtions x 4 seconds each = 200 seconds. it should take no more than 5 minutes to achieve ejaculation, and that’s a generous estimation given pauses between stimulations.

    With this timing, it would have been possible for Robert to have been electro stimulated twice, evacuating any semen accumulation.

    The first stimulation would have produced semen on his body. A second insertion may have pushed Robert’s semen into his rectum.

    Sooooo……..hopefully, the prosecution will call experts to testify about electroejaculation. It could show that even if the events of the evening began at 11:08, forty minutes would provide adequate time for what took place.

    • N.M.
      04/25/2009 at 7:43 PM

      Sorry to be dense, but I’m still confused about the timeline / blackberry thing. Joe could have picked up the blackberry during the cleanup, set the time on the device back to 11:05, drafted the email, saved it with the 11:05 time stamp, and then set the device back to the right time. Given that, and given there’s no corresponding delivered email that might prove when the email was sent (and presumably written), it seems to me that this bit of ‘evidence’ is unreliable to the point of being useless. Even if the blackberry suddenly turned up, the time stamp on the unsent email would be unreliable.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 8:26 PM

        I tend to agree with the “useless” comment. If it aint’ there, it ain’t there.

        that’s why I tend to concentrate on what IS there. electroejaculation.

        Blackberry or NOT, there was time to commit this heinous crime.

        Come on posters….weigh in.

        • Themis
          04/25/2009 at 8:36 PM

          Metadata doesn’t lie. It is possible that a mirror of the Blackberry could be used to review the metadata and, therefore, the real time that the emails were composed. This is done with computer hard drives all the time. I just don’t know if it is possible with a Blackberry.

    • Anon. in Arlington
      04/25/2009 at 11:57 PM

      Great work CD! I have learned a lot and appreciate that research. Not sure why I do not think electro ejaculation is part of this. Just because it was pulled out of Dylan’s closet, does not mean it was used that night. Unless we learn more in discovery, I think it was just another item in the stash, sitting next to the funnel. (that said, any ideas if the equipment remains warm after use? It seems that would not be a reasonable expectation after 40 minutes, but curious. If a catheter is used in the process, that would have contained DNA or at least have shown some signs of being recently washed out.) My lean is that the semen samples were created by manual stimulation.

      Dylan’s room looks on the small side. I cannot fathom all that clutter under the bed and in the closet.

      Last week or so, I was enlightened by fellow posters as to why Dylan, a trained chef, would have a knife set in his bedroom. Have folks been thinking knife play was part of the routine and perhaps part of the activities than night, or do you think the professional set was just stored there so it would not be ruined in the kitchen?

      I also must admit that until last week, I thought the patio drain was a simple drain in the flagstones of the patio, not at the bottom of the exterior cellar entrance. The drain photo escaped me. This opened new possibilities as to how much could occur in a wash down in this dark and protected area. In the past my thinking was not a lot could happen in the patio because neighbors on the second floor could look out the back and see what was going on under the bright patio lights (sans spider). Now the thought of the murder taking place outside in the dark cellar entrance is a possibility (hence, blood found in that drain) with the blood being left on Sarah’s entrance from the kitchen area when the body was being moved from the drain area to the second floor. There was more activity from Sarah’s exterior door to that drain than the back door of the kitchen. The intent to say “an intruder” came in the back kitchen door was to throw investigators from the true in-and-out door being Sarah’s. Who would walk down the well-lit exterior staircase when you could pop out in the dark cove of the basement exit? May have been a quick trot to turn on the garden hose and quickly drag it down the stairs. But the rest would be in the shadows.

      Thanks for reading my ever-evolving approach to possibilities.

      • CDinDC
        04/26/2009 at 9:48 AM

        NM says: “Not sure why I do not think electro ejaculation is part of this. Just because it was pulled out of Dylan’s closet, does not mean it was used that night.”

        Because the police believe it was used. The urine device and quite a few other “toys” were removed from Dylan’s closet, but the police are not claiming they were used on Robert. So, it leads me to believe the police may have some evidence that links Robert to the electro device (or they would set it aside as useless just like the urine device and other items they confiscated.)

        NM says: “Dylan’s room looks on the small side. I cannot fathom all that clutter under the bed and in the closet.”

        But these items WERE removed from Dylan’s room.

        • Anon. in Arlington
          04/26/2009 at 11:28 AM

          I do not argue that the items were not removed from Dylan’s bedroom, I was only thinking that was a lot of stuff in a small space and it is time to do my own spring cleaning 🙂

          • CDinDC
            04/26/2009 at 11:43 AM

            LOL I bet his room was chock-a-block with harnesses and sex toys.

            My spring cleaning usually takes place in the fall. :>

        • N.M.
          04/26/2009 at 4:06 PM

          Whoa, CD.

          That was Anon. in Arlington who wrote all that stuff, NOT me.

          I try to spend as little time as possible thinking about electro-anything. Also, we know the dimensions of Dylan’s room because the floorplan was posted in “Open House – 2nd Viewing.”

          That said, the floorplan is misleading in that it pictures the furniture as way smaller than it would be in real life. A full or queen sized bed in that room takes up most of the room (I know this not because I’ve been there but because those rooms are the same dimensions up and down Swann). So I had been wondering – unless Dylan had a single bed, or slept in the closet like a bat hanging upside down by his toe claws – there would not have been much room for 3 (at least) men to maneuver in there.

          Would Dylan’s bedroom have been the regular ‘playroom’? Or would they have set up shop in one of the other rooms (2nd floor den, with the bathroom door conveniently right there, or 2nd floor front bedroom, further from the bathroom)? Surely not the third floor given that its open plan… unless Victor liked to watch?

  23. CDinDC
    04/25/2009 at 4:19 PM

    Re “tightening the timeline”….I did a little research regarding electroejaculation. Some may or may not know, but electroejactulation is used in clinics and hospitals regularly for male reproductive purposes. Men that are anejaculatory can use this method for sperm collection for fertility analysis, in vitro, etc.

    The entire procedure done BY A HOSPITAL takes approximately 30 minutes. However, a hospital adds several additional steps to their procedure, which surely would have been left out of the attack on Robert. At a hospital, the patient will be given a general anesthetic, a catheter will be inserted into the bladder in order to empty it completely, and a protoscope will be inserted into the rectum to inspect the lining of the rectum to insure there are no abnormalities. After these steps, the actual electro procedure begins.

    A series of stimulations starting at the lowest voltage (1 Volt) and increasing to approximately 20V are given. Each stimulation lasting 2-4 seconds each. It is estimated that most men require no more than 50 stimulations to achieve ejaculation (not orgasm…it doesn’t not produce pleasure).

    So, all in all, 50 stimualtions x 4 seconds each = 200 seconds. it should take no more than 5 minutes to achieve ejaculation, and that’s a generous estimation given pauses between stimulations.

    With this timing, it would have been possible for Robert to have been electro stimulated twice, evacuating any semen accumulation.

    The first stimulation would have produced semen on his body. A second insertion may have pushed Robert’s semen into his rectum.

    Sooooo……..hopefully, the prosecution will call experts to testify about electroejaculation. It could show that even if the events of the evening began at 11:08, forty minutes would provide adequate time for what took place.

    • N.M.
      04/25/2009 at 7:43 PM

      Sorry to be dense, but I’m still confused about the timeline / blackberry thing. Joe could have picked up the blackberry during the cleanup, set the time on the device back to 11:05, drafted the email, saved it with the 11:05 time stamp, and then set the device back to the right time. Given that, and given there’s no corresponding delivered email that might prove when the email was sent (and presumably written), it seems to me that this bit of ‘evidence’ is unreliable to the point of being useless. Even if the blackberry suddenly turned up, the time stamp on the unsent email would be unreliable.

      • CDinDC
        04/25/2009 at 8:26 PM

        I tend to agree with the “useless” comment. If it aint’ there, it ain’t there.

        that’s why I tend to concentrate on what IS there. electroejaculation.

        Blackberry or NOT, there was time to commit this heinous crime.

        Come on posters….weigh in.

        • Themis
          04/25/2009 at 8:36 PM

          Metadata doesn’t lie. It is possible that a mirror of the Blackberry could be used to review the metadata and, therefore, the real time that the emails were composed. This is done with computer hard drives all the time. I just don’t know if it is possible with a Blackberry.

    • Anon. in Arlington
      04/25/2009 at 11:57 PM

      Great work CD! I have learned a lot and appreciate that research. Not sure why I do not think electro ejaculation is part of this. Just because it was pulled out of Dylan’s closet, does not mean it was used that night. Unless we learn more in discovery, I think it was just another item in the stash, sitting next to the funnel. (that said, any ideas if the equipment remains warm after use? It seems that would not be a reasonable expectation after 40 minutes, but curious. If a catheter is used in the process, that would have contained DNA or at least have shown some signs of being recently washed out.) My lean is that the semen samples were created by manual stimulation.

      Dylan’s room looks on the small side. I cannot fathom all that clutter under the bed and in the closet.

      Last week or so, I was enlightened by fellow posters as to why Dylan, a trained chef, would have a knife set in his bedroom. Have folks been thinking knife play was part of the routine and perhaps part of the activities than night, or do you think the professional set was just stored there so it would not be ruined in the kitchen?

      I also must admit that until last week, I thought the patio drain was a simple drain in the flagstones of the patio, not at the bottom of the exterior cellar entrance. The drain photo escaped me. This opened new possibilities as to how much could occur in a wash down in this dark and protected area. In the past my thinking was not a lot could happen in the patio because neighbors on the second floor could look out the back and see what was going on under the bright patio lights (sans spider). Now the thought of the murder taking place outside in the dark cellar entrance is a possibility (hence, blood found in that drain) with the blood being left on Sarah’s entrance from the kitchen area when the body was being moved from the drain area to the second floor. There was more activity from Sarah’s exterior door to that drain than the back door of the kitchen. The intent to say “an intruder” came in the back kitchen door was to throw investigators from the true in-and-out door being Sarah’s. Who would walk down the well-lit exterior staircase when you could pop out in the dark cove of the basement exit? May have been a quick trot to turn on the garden hose and quickly drag it down the stairs. But the rest would be in the shadows.

      Thanks for reading my ever-evolving approach to possibilities.

      • CDinDC
        04/26/2009 at 9:48 AM

        NM says: “Not sure why I do not think electro ejaculation is part of this. Just because it was pulled out of Dylan’s closet, does not mean it was used that night.”

        Because the police believe it was used. The urine device and quite a few other “toys” were removed from Dylan’s closet, but the police are not claiming they were used on Robert. So, it leads me to believe the police may have some evidence that links Robert to the electro device (or they would set it aside as useless just like the urine device and other items they confiscated.)

        NM says: “Dylan’s room looks on the small side. I cannot fathom all that clutter under the bed and in the closet.”

        But these items WERE removed from Dylan’s room.

        • Anon. in Arlington
          04/26/2009 at 11:28 AM

          I do not argue that the items were not removed from Dylan’s bedroom, I was only thinking that was a lot of stuff in a small space and it is time to do my own spring cleaning 🙂

          • CDinDC
            04/26/2009 at 11:43 AM

            LOL I bet his room was chock-a-block with harnesses and sex toys.

            My spring cleaning usually takes place in the fall. :>

        • N.M.
          04/26/2009 at 4:06 PM

          Whoa, CD.

          That was Anon. in Arlington who wrote all that stuff, NOT me.

          I try to spend as little time as possible thinking about electro-anything. Also, we know the dimensions of Dylan’s room because the floorplan was posted in “Open House – 2nd Viewing.”

          That said, the floorplan is misleading in that it pictures the furniture as way smaller than it would be in real life. A full or queen sized bed in that room takes up most of the room (I know this not because I’ve been there but because those rooms are the same dimensions up and down Swann). So I had been wondering – unless Dylan had a single bed, or slept in the closet like a bat hanging upside down by his toe claws – there would not have been much room for 3 (at least) men to maneuver in there.

          Would Dylan’s bedroom have been the regular ‘playroom’? Or would they have set up shop in one of the other rooms (2nd floor den, with the bathroom door conveniently right there, or 2nd floor front bedroom, further from the bathroom)? Surely not the third floor given that its open plan… unless Victor liked to watch?

          • CDinDC
            04/26/2009 at 6:03 PM

            oops…sorry NM! No harm. No foul. :>

            • N.M.
              04/27/2009 at 3:57 PM

              No worries, CD.

  24. CDinDC
    04/25/2009 at 4:44 PM

    I might add, from a S&M perspective, it was noted on a “chastity” website:

    “although not painful, using this device on the slave by-passes the responses that bring about orgasmic ejaculation and avoids any possibility of the procedure feeling sexual or pleasurable to the slave. it is simply a clinical procedure performed to extract his accumulated fluids in as efficient and dispassionate a manner as possible.”

  25. CDinDC
    04/25/2009 at 4:44 PM

    I might add, from a S&M perspective, it was noted on a “chastity” website:

    “although not painful, using this device on the slave by-passes the responses that bring about orgasmic ejaculation and avoids any possibility of the procedure feeling sexual or pleasurable to the slave. it is simply a clinical procedure performed to extract his accumulated fluids in as efficient and dispassionate a manner as possible.”

  26. Bea
    04/25/2009 at 7:59 PM

    CD, just plain ‘wow’ to what you’ve found.

  27. Bea
    04/25/2009 at 7:59 PM

    CD, just plain ‘wow’ to what you’ve found.

  28. CDinDC
    04/25/2009 at 8:36 PM

    Grimm intimated that the defendants are accused of a long drawnout torture session with Robert.

    I think it’s important to understand that this act could have taken less than 10 minutes.

    The defendants could have drugged, performed this act on Robert, stabbed him and STILL cleaned the house after 11:08. That’s over 40 minutes.

    Ketamine is instantaneous. The assault could have taken less than 10 minutes. 30 minutes to clean.

    And if someone screamed around 11:15….it could have been Robert when he was initially attacked.

    • N.M.
      04/25/2009 at 11:53 PM

      Understood.

      Thank you for digging through this.

    • Fascinating
      05/01/2009 at 12:21 PM

      OK, I just looked up electroejaculation. I had a hazy idea of what it was … and I usually skip those videos on XTube, LOL.

      But now I read how it is accomplished: “A specially designed electric probe is inserted into the rectum next to the prostate. A current generated by the machine is applied to stimulate the nerves and produce contraction of the pelvic muscles resulting in an ejaculation.”

      Well, that would explain how Wone’s semen got up his own rectum. (Assuming, of course, that more than one ejaculation was accomplished).

      Also — this is difficult/sensitive to write — electroejaculation on a heterosexual male who is unaroused by gay men would probably satisfy the sexual needs of a gay man who wanted to see his str8 sexual partner … visibly “get off”.

      Ya know?

      Okay, that’s the “ick” factor that someone brought up in another post on another page. (i.e. a straight man being raped).

      • Anon. in Arlington
        05/01/2009 at 12:49 PM

        One could argue that after the first ejaculation, the prostate would be essentially empty until the normal refractory period cycle (which varies from day to day and from man to man). Any electrostimulation after the first ejaculation would inflict additional pain leading to…well, torture. Not to go into details, but men reading this may be able to recall a time that they tried to climax too soon after a first ejaculation, only experience a pain filled climax without semen or seminal fluids.

        With the extremely short period of time for all the events outlined that we have been discussing in this case, we may be led to consider that the electrostimulator was inserted soon after the first ejaculation, coated with seaman by accident or used as a lubricant, in an attempt to produce more seaman. The torture becomes even more evident to me when framing the activities in this manner. Of course we do not yet know if the electrostimulator was used, but we are left to wonder what type of torture was committed when there were no bruises or cuts other than the three wounds to Robert’s chest and the multiple needle marks on his body (not that I am discounting the needle marks, but in the way the ME described them it appears needles were used to subdue and not torture). That said, someone who was Aichmophobic (fear of needles), this would indeed be torture. This also leads one to think of the psychological torture of being subdued yet aware of ones surroundings while being raped, mocked, stabbed, or who knows.

      • CDinDC
        05/01/2009 at 1:43 PM

        It’s such a control thing. Take a man that is not interested and therefore may not become aroused, and MAKE him ejaculate. No pleasure for him, but pleasure for the individual forcing the situation.

  29. CDinDC
    04/25/2009 at 8:36 PM

    Grimm intimated that the defendants are accused of a long drawnout torture session with Robert.

    I think it’s important to understand that this act could have taken less than 10 minutes.

    The defendants could have drugged, performed this act on Robert, stabbed him and STILL cleaned the house after 11:08. That’s over 40 minutes.

    Ketamine is instantaneous. The assault could have taken less than 10 minutes. 30 minutes to clean.

    And if someone screamed around 11:15….it could have been Robert when he was initially attacked.

    • N.M.
      04/25/2009 at 11:53 PM

      Understood.

      Thank you for digging through this.

    • Fascinating
      05/01/2009 at 12:21 PM

      OK, I just looked up electroejaculation. I had a hazy idea of what it was … and I usually skip those videos on XTube, LOL.

      But now I read how it is accomplished: “A specially designed electric probe is inserted into the rectum next to the prostate. A current generated by the machine is applied to stimulate the nerves and produce contraction of the pelvic muscles resulting in an ejaculation.”

      Well, that would explain how Wone’s semen got up his own rectum. (Assuming, of course, that more than one ejaculation was accomplished).

      Also — this is difficult/sensitive to write — electroejaculation on a heterosexual male who is unaroused by gay men would probably satisfy the sexual needs of a gay man who wanted to see his str8 sexual partner … visibly “get off”.

      Ya know?

      Okay, that’s the “ick” factor that someone brought up in another post on another page. (i.e. a straight man being raped).

      • Anon. in Arlington
        05/01/2009 at 12:49 PM

        One could argue that after the first ejaculation, the prostate would be essentially empty until the normal refractory period cycle (which varies from day to day and from man to man). Any electrostimulation after the first ejaculation would inflict additional pain leading to…well, torture. Not to go into details, but men reading this may be able to recall a time that they tried to climax too soon after a first ejaculation, only experience a pain filled climax without semen or seminal fluids.

        With the extremely short period of time for all the events outlined that we have been discussing in this case, we may be led to consider that the electrostimulator was inserted soon after the first ejaculation, coated with seaman by accident or used as a lubricant, in an attempt to produce more seaman. The torture becomes even more evident to me when framing the activities in this manner. Of course we do not yet know if the electrostimulator was used, but we are left to wonder what type of torture was committed when there were no bruises or cuts other than the three wounds to Robert’s chest and the multiple needle marks on his body (not that I am discounting the needle marks, but in the way the ME described them it appears needles were used to subdue and not torture). That said, someone who was Aichmophobic (fear of needles), this would indeed be torture. This also leads one to think of the psychological torture of being subdued yet aware of ones surroundings while being raped, mocked, stabbed, or who knows.

      • CDinDC
        05/01/2009 at 1:43 PM

        It’s such a control thing. Take a man that is not interested and therefore may not become aroused, and MAKE him ejaculate. No pleasure for him, but pleasure for the individual forcing the situation.

  30. Nelly
    04/26/2009 at 10:10 PM

    Fox’s new coverage annoys me. They continue to say that Robert decided to stay over because he didn’t want to drive back to his home. NOT TRUE. He didn’t even have a car with him. It’s a minor point that has been rehashed ages ago, but Fox continues to spread false news.

    • Nelly
      04/26/2009 at 10:11 PM

      Oops, I meant “news coverage.”

  31. Nelly
    04/26/2009 at 10:10 PM

    Fox’s new coverage annoys me. They continue to say that Robert decided to stay over because he didn’t want to drive back to his home. NOT TRUE. He didn’t even have a car with him. It’s a minor point that has been rehashed ages ago, but Fox continues to spread false news.

    • Nelly
      04/26/2009 at 10:11 PM

      Oops, I meant “news coverage.”

  32. Themis
    04/26/2009 at 10:27 PM

    Bea,

    You seem to be familiar with DC’s laws. Could the defendants ask for a spoliation instruction with respect to the Blackberry? I highly, highly doubt that they have a claim under Youngblood.

  33. Themis
    04/26/2009 at 10:27 PM

    Bea,

    You seem to be familiar with DC’s laws. Could the defendants ask for a spoliation instruction with respect to the Blackberry? I highly, highly doubt that they have a claim under Youngblood.

  34. Bea
    04/26/2009 at 10:32 PM

    Hi Themis,

    Sorry, no, I don’t practice in DC either. I was simply curious about the marital privilege in DC and looked it up. If you happen to take a look, fill us in! Thanks.

  35. Bea
    04/26/2009 at 10:32 PM

    Hi Themis,

    Sorry, no, I don’t practice in DC either. I was simply curious about the marital privilege in DC and looked it up. If you happen to take a look, fill us in! Thanks.

  36. Themis
    04/27/2009 at 11:18 AM

    I just search the WaPo site for a story on the hearing. Nada. Interestingly, though, the WaPo has a story on legal fight between the mistress and family of a Georgia man over changes made to his will. At least we now know what the paper’s priorities are.

    • Frankie
      04/27/2009 at 12:40 PM

      Why would the Washington Post report on a hearing at which nothing substantive happened? There are approximately 90 unsolved murders in DC from 2006, the year Robert Wone was killed. Why should the Washington Post pay more attention to this particular case?

  37. Themis
    04/27/2009 at 11:18 AM

    I just search the WaPo site for a story on the hearing. Nada. Interestingly, though, the WaPo has a story on legal fight between the mistress and family of a Georgia man over changes made to his will. At least we now know what the paper’s priorities are.

    • Frankie
      04/27/2009 at 12:40 PM

      Why would the Washington Post report on a hearing at which nothing substantive happened? There are approximately 90 unsolved murders in DC from 2006, the year Robert Wone was killed. Why should the Washington Post pay more attention to this particular case?

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