Why Didn’t Anyone Check On The Third Housemate? And What Of That Bloodstain?
It’s been said a crime succeeds or fails within the first 6 minutes. It’s our collective hope to see this crime fail, which brings us once more to the first moments after Robert’s murder.
As previously discussed, there are many things about the time line of August 2nd, 2006, that just don’t add up. There is something new to add to the list.
The Missing Piece
We know the 9-1-1 call was made at 11:49pm. We know from the 911 call that Zaborsky – at 11:54 – was at the front door (you can hear him greeting and responding to EMTs.) The call and the original indictment lead us to believe that Price was upstairs in the guest bedroom by Robert’s side (the EMTs report this and the call recording seems to feature Price’s voice responding to Zaborsky.)
Further, we know a neighbor reported hearing a scream sometime while watching Maureen Bunyan on TV – placing it between 11:00 and 11:34pm – and Zaborsky told investigators that he initially screamed when finding Robert. “Became hysterical…” as he told investigators, when Price then allegedly told him to go upstairs and phone 9-1-1.
Within :13 seconds into the call, Victor tells the 9-1-1 dispatcher “…we’ve had someone (unintelligible) in our house evidently, and they stabbed somebody…” At 1:15 when asked who committed the stabbing he says “…I don’t know, we think it’s somebody (unintelligible) an intruder in the house. We heard a chime at the door.”
They tended to Robert, phoned for paramedics, dealt with authorities, scanned for intruders. And here is where the problem emerges. What’s missing? Or who?
Did anyone check on Dylan? And if not, why not? Wouldn’t you?
Ward’s first reported appearance comes from one of the responding EMT’s (W-1) who first saw Ward
“…in a bathrobe emerge from a small hallway area adjoining a bathroom. As Ward approached, W-1 confronted Ward and directly asked him, “what’s going on?” Ward looked at W-1, but did not reply. Instead Ward walked past W-1 and directly into his bedroom on the second floor.”
Moments later, as the EMTs were transporting Robert to the hospital, first reporting MPD officer Diane Durham reports finding three white men:
“One male was standing by the steps, the other was sitting in the chair, the male in the underwear did all the talking.”
Male at steps – Zaborsky. Talky underwear guy – Price. Silent in the chair – Ward.
In his own statement Ward says he heard a “commotion”:
“‘…listened to the commotion a minute,’ put on his robe and then exited his bedroom. Ward further claimed that, upon emerging from his bedroom he saw Zaborsky on the phone speaking with the 9-1-1 operator and Price wearing only his underwear, sitting on the bed next to Mr. Wone.”
Zaborsky and 9-1-1? Check. Price next to Wone? Check. Confirmation of underwear guy? Double-ick-check. And these events are also sourced, second-hand, by Detective Bryan Waid. Everything seems to add up…except the part that’s missing. Ward himself.
Think about it. If you were in an emergency situation – someone found dead in your house, an unknown and suspected intruder – what would you do? Tend to your friend, phone emergency help…and check on everyone in your house, right?
By their own words Zaborsky and Price believed there was an intruder who murdered Robert…an intruder who may still even be in their house. They saw each other, they knew Robert’s condition. Victor was “…afraid to go downstairs,” because of a possible murderer in their midst. Why didn’t they check on Dylan?
The 9-1-1 call gives reference to someone, presumably Joe, applying a towel to Robert. Joe and Victor refer to each other’s location…but there’s no mention of Dylan.
Even though Dylan states he was sleeping, possibly because of his “sleeping pill”, and woke long after Robert was murdered, why would no-one check on where, or how, he was? I can only speak for myself, but were I in a similar spot my priorities would be helping the injured and checking on the safety of my housemates.
There are only two possibilities: 1; that Dylan remained in his room while his housemates left him forgotten amid the mayhem, or 2; that Dylan had been outside his bedroom before police arrived, and knows more than he said. I’m not sure which is worse for him.
What is additionally troubling, however, is the bloodstain found on Ward’s comforter in his room. We don’t – yet – know who’s blood it was. Again, there are two possibilities. One, that it was the blood of just about anyone (we don’t care to speculate whose or how it got there) or two, that it was Robert’s blood. If in the end, the blood proves a match to Robert’s blood, there is no explaining how it got there – especially given the statements of none other than Dylan Ward, who told investigators that Robert had never slept at 1509 before, and given Ward’s exposition as to what Robert did before he (Ward) turned in for bed.
Accusations aside, it strains credulity that two of the three Swann housemates could have attended to the aftermath of a presumed murder and not once even questioned the whereabouts or condition of their third housemate.
A pet would deserve better.
–posted by Doug
Dylan was quite busy helping to clean up the mess. He didn’t need checking up on.
And yes, the very first thing I would have done upon discovering the body was scream for my friend sleeping in the other room. “Dylan, Dylan, get out here – are you ok?” and then would have either advised Victor to “get Dylan” or would have done so myself. I probably would have ran into the hall screaming hysterically for anyone around to help, and would definitely would check my friend/lover/master. Anyone would do this instinctively, even if it was someone you despised. If only to see if maybe you lucked out and they got stabbed, too. 😉
But I agree – this is a big hole in their story.
Ho,
I think Ward was finished cleaning up not very much of a mess if he stabbed Wone in the shower, and it accounts for the washing of the body, too.
W-1 the EMT, gives us a very accurate picture of Ward numbly pacing around in circles trying to awaken from this nightmare of his own making. This is possibly what Price & Zaborsky actually observed–a catatonic, unresponsive Ward pacing around in circles like a zombie. So they didn’t need to check on him.
Ben,
I think you are missing the point about this post. If the intruder story is true, then Joe and Victor upon finding Robert’s body would have more than likely also checked to see if Dylan had been stabbed as well.
This post looks at the credibility of their story; it does not try to explain why they didn’t check on Dylan.
David
I don’t believe the intruder story is true–never did. But we need to look at what Price & Zaborsky possibly observed when they came downstairs & why they didn’t need to check on Ward.
What story could they put together themselves if catatonic Ward was pacing around mumbling something about the back door being open? The 9-1-1 recording sounds like them trying to figure it out in real time.
Dylan was not in some sort of catatonic state. Why, because you Ben have him responsible for the murder. And, most certainly can not be “lugging” a body around if you are a mumbling, bumbling mess….
If Ben is right and Dylan was a mess, then it stands to reason that Joe had been with him to do all that time-consuming stabbing, cleaning, redressing, and thinking (take away Dylan’s knife and replace with kitchen knife, apply blood to knife). If Dylan was a wreck then he wasn’t able to do any of this (fugue state, I believe).
Now Victor may have come down the stairs later (Joe likely never went to bed IMO) and thus Joe strapped himself to Vic’s leg story-wise.
Whether Joe or Dylan or both who assaulted, stimulated, and stabbed him death, I don’t know, but there were two of them in on all that had to occur before the 911 call – and I suspect Victor began helping somewhere in the timeline but later than Joe/Dylan. It’s the only logical match to the “facts” and timeline.
Raising my hand in class, that’s simple: They are all three of them lying.
What she said.
My guess is that Ward had been very busy doing some heavy lifting, grunts included, lugging Wone’s corpse from the bathroom or Ward’s bedroom into the guest room. And Ward made sure the “back door was open (door chime).”
I don’t know exactly when Price & Zaborsky figured out their pet killed their house guest & coldly staged the scene.
Oh Ben, please read the post again and stop with the finger-in-ears. The query is why during the initial mahem did no one check to see if Dylan was alive. If you’re correct and Dylan is the lone murderer, and your alum pal Joe did not join in and did not know this when he heard the ‘grunt’ or ‘low moan’ and charged down the stairs only to find a bleeding Robert, would it not have made sense for him to immediately see if Dylan too had been stabbed?
This is a logic check. Doesn’t it tell you that Joe had no reason to worry about Dylan? And why would that be?
I would any W & M alum would at least have the decency to check on his friend.
Ben, have you discussed the case with any Parisians? What is their take on the case?
Uh … what Bea said.
Dylan is of slender build. He could not have lugged anything/anyone by himself.
Craig,
Ward is athletic, ripped, powerful & wiry about 160 pounds of solid muscle packed onto a 5’8″ frame. Ward could throw Wone around like a doll, especially if he had to…
Do you know him? Court papers say that he weighs 135.
Was thinking the same thing Bea…”powerful” is a word I would not use to describe Dylan, unless I knew him.
He looks like a runt in the videos.
Joe on the other hand, looks like like a Christmas goose.
Bea,
The Warrant for Arrest lists 150 as Ward’s weight and outside court house videos show him at least 10 pounds heavier. The mugshot shows him at his thinnest.
?
Because of the old trope, “video adds ten pounds”?
I see right through you Ben, you naughty imp!
I think Obvious just likes to make people think he’s “in the know.”
Maybe it makes Obvious feel, uh, powerful.
It has been pointed out before that the purpose of drawing attention to one’s self on the internet is to draw attention to one’s self.
Obvious is pursuing known attention seeking methods to this end. Posting that Dylan “is” 30 ponds heavier than the court papers say he is and is possessed of awe inspiring strength is just internet comment section chum. If Obvious has anything concrete to say about any of these men from first hand experience he can say so.
So, Dyl was athletic after all: NOT!Did Mr. Ward even belong to a gym? Did he go to the same one as his liege, the one that Joe mentioned to Folts on the ride to Anacostia?
I’m sure Dylan lifted a lot of weights at the Crew Club.
The only thing he lifted at the crew club was his legs high in the air. After all, he was safe to going back to being a big bottom while there.
AZ & Bea,
Ward’s arrest warrant shows his weight at 150. Strength is a requirement for bodywork. The mugshot was when he was his skinniest. He’s at least 160 in the courthouse videos.
Ben,
How do you know the mugshot was when he was the skinniest– have you heard it from the friends who know the Trouple or it that just your impression from his photograph?
David
Comparing mugshot to courthouse videos & third party descriptions of those who know them.
I don’t think Ward ever came along to any of the W+M gatherings or the EV dinners which I attended. I do remember meeting Price & Zaborsky at an EV dinner.
Ben – You are just plain wrong and/or woefully misinformed.
We have seen first-hand photos from an EV dinner that showed the entire 1509 household in attendance , including Dylan Ward, dressed rather inappropriately for a formal function. Sarah Morgan was also present there. It was clearly a family affair.
You claim to have ins and a familiarity with the defendants. If that’s the case, it’s time to lay your cards on the table and walk us through your history with them. You know how to reach out to us confidentialy.
No more pussy-footing or vagueness. I’m starting to find your candor and credibilty seriously lacking.
Craig,
Ben’s relationship with the defendants has gone from not knowing them at all, to being in their “orbit,” to having met them.
What’s next? Has he slept with one or more of the defendants?
Like I said before, I think he’s a blowhard.
Craig,
Understand I must be vague. I don’t want anyone, especially Ward, to figure out who I am or who I know. And everyone pussyfoots around here. I do have some orbital ins and I don’t want to lose them.
Ben is another one that likes to make people think “he’s in the know.”
He insists that he does not know the defendants, yet he tries to act like he does.
Because of this, I’ve come to the conclusion that Ben Franklin is a blowhard.
I second that opinion.
Perhaps its just time to stop entertaining the blowfish.
Hey Ben, in Dylan Ward’s Motion for Pretrial Release, filed by Ward’s own attorney, he claims to be 5’8, 130 pounds. See P. 15 of the document. I guess he would know better than you, despite your uncanny picture-and-video weight assessment skills.
Bea 1, Ben 0
He was 150 at the time of his arrest. He may have been 130 at the time of the mugshot and release. He’s back up to normal weight as of his last public appearance. 20 pounds is an understandable weight fluctuation under huge stress. Check him out at next Friday’s status hearing. I think you will be amazed at how buffed he is, maybe from the Crew Club (lol).
Ben – To your earlier comment about wanting to remain vague, the four of us have been entrusted with far more sensitive information from a wide variety of sources.
It’s our responsibility to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
Craig,
If you decide to ban me from posting–and that’s OK–please do so publicly. I do fly a lot of crazy kites.
I know this makes a lot of people very uncomfortable in their assumptions, including the defendants.
Ben
Ben;
Nobody has threatened a banning of any sort. I’m puzzled why you would assume such. We four editors continue to welcome all comments offered in sincerity. As Craig mentioned, we’re only asking for clear, non-opaque, contributions.
I would hope all commentors respond accordingly.
–Doug, co-editor
“He’s back up to normal weight as of his last public appearance”.
You know his normal weight? How is that so?
Did you see him in person at his “last public appearance”? And would that have been a social occasion or a court hearing?
It’s a bit frustrating the way you bait and switch on your knowledge (alleged knowledge). When it suits you, you imply insider status, but when inquiries are made, you’re quick to disassociate yourself from having knowledge.
My guess is that your post that you’ve ‘met’ Joe and Victor at alumni events is the extent of your direct personal relationship – is this correct? And you know people who are much closer to Joe than you are – possibly very close. Is this correct?
Not to be snide, but it appears that your friends are playing you like a violin in terms of your solidarity with Joe in spite of the facts.
Ben, why would you think you’re getting banned? Just answer the many questions posed (no dodging or posing) – I speak for myself in saying it’s nice to read a new poster, fresh look, sometimes insightful, and I respect anyone who can stick to their opinion PROVIDED they are willing to not fudge the facts and give forthright answers.
Stay, post, but please engage meaningfully.
Oh, and your comment that “this” (implying, from sentence structure, your comments) “makes the defendants” uncomfortable is a good example of what drives me nuts. So now you’re posting ‘secrets’ that would make Joe unhappy? You’re a Joe apologist and haven’t added a single new ‘fact’, just your own conjecture.
I don’t know about all that Craig, factor in drug use and adrenaline and who knows. I’m very small and in the 80’s weighed about 110lbs but once literally lifted the corner of a small car to get it off a person’s arm. Crazy adrenaline and narrow panicked focus was the generally accepted analysis of that event, no drugs involved.
Adrenaline bursts can accomplish quite a bit, but if one is to believe the affidavit, Robert was moved, washed (and dried), redressed and placed into the sofabed.
From the medical records we have seen – more of those later – Robert weighed 152 pounds. All of that alleged activity sounds like a two man job (maybe three) to me.
The Dylan Ward we’ve been seeing every other month at the staus hearings doesn’t seem to have the heft or frame to lift 152 pound of literally dead weight by himself.
But to Doug ‘s point here – and I’m glad he tackled this; the fact that neither Price nor Zaborsky, according to their statements, had the interest or time to check in on a “member of the family” just down the hallway, twenty feet from where their house guest was slain, reads like fiction to me.
In any real-world crisis situation, a head count of family members and their well being would’ve been priority one. Even if Zaborsky was “afraid to go downstairs,” all he had to do was walk mere steps to the back bedroom to check on Ward, but he didn’t.
We have a very clear picture from W-1 of Ward numbly pacing in circles. Perhaps this is actually what Price & Zaborsky observed when they came downstairs.
They didn’t need to check on Ward because he was pacing in circles trying to awaken from this nightmare of his own making.
Carrying Wone is not a problem for any ONE of them to do it. I carried a passed out 205 pound 6’3″ man over my shoulder (fireman’s carry) this past new years eve. I’m 5’11” 170.
Putting clothes on a corpse is the most difficult of the alleged tasks & that may have been done out of a sense of decency & respect for Wone if he was nude after being stabbed/assaulted in the shower. It would be a an instinctive thing for a friend or family to do, and not an impossible task for one, but very suspicious, I agree.
What part of instinctual motherly action or indication of decency and respect (what!!) was in play when one (or more than one) of the three men was making neat incisions in the shirt to mislead the police after struggling it on to Robert while he was (mind you) possibly not yet dead but dying, as opposed to doing anything at all to help him?
“numbly pacing in circles”
There you go embellishing again.
Good point. And how does one “numbly” pace that would be visible to witnesses (had they so reported)?
I thought the first-responders said that they met Ward in the hall but that he went into his room without saying anything – must’ve missed the numbly pacing in circles part. I’ll have to read more carefully now.
Bea, it’s inbetween where Dylan does the moonwalk and then confesses.
Ben,
I do have to laugh at your posts sometimes. Dressing a murder victim in your home.
Maybe that’s why there was a delay in phoning 911. They couldn’t decide what Robert should wear.
But, Craig, Dyl was a mere territory applying for statehood in the Price-Zaborsky union; his application had not been processed yet. So, Dyl was not part of the Family — then or even now, and this knowledge probably galled/s him even more.
Clio, since Dylan had lived with Joe-N-Vic since 2003, do you think he was the maid of honor at their April ’06 Domestic Partner Ceremony?
I don’t care how bohemian one may be in spirit – standing by while your man marries another has to sting.
Ouch! But if Dyl was maid of honor, then who was best man? Michael?
But imagine how the Groom Narcissist was feeling. He was probably just giddy about marry one while his concubine watched on. What power.
Ditto,as a skinny 150lb teen I lifted an enormous motorcycle off of someone I thought was mortally injured in an accident.I hurt for days but it was worth it.I’ve also seen tiny women cranked up on meth throw heavy bar stools at each other,not a pretty sight.Never underestimate anyone was my mantra as a bartender,one of the reasons I’m still alive:)
The blood on Ward’s comforter is easy to explain.
After the intruder broke in (without actually breaking anything), sneaked upstairs without Wone or the family hearing a peep, entered Ward’s room and then his closet and carefully selected a knife from a set stashed away rather than those on display in the kitchen that we walked through (all the while carefully not waking Ward), exited Ward’s room, sneaked up on Wone, drugged him so as to ensure no defensive manuvers, returned to Ward’s room to fish through the exotic sex toys and select the electro-stim device (ok, maybe the “intruder” grabbed this at the time he grabbed the knife or maybe he grabbed the stim device and then went back to Ward’s room for the knife, but I digress) all the while still not waking the quietly sleeping Ward, carefully murdered Wone, and hung around for a while to ensure a proper clean-up (he may be a murderous intruder, but he certainly isn’t rude enough to leave a mess in someone else’s home), then the “intruder” sneaked back into Ward’s room to drip some carefully-saved blood on Ward’s comforter to frame Ward. Oh, and then the “intruder” left and ensured that he took all of the cleaning supplies with him (and somehow also time-shifted a few minutes to the future to also take with him the first blood-soaked towel that Price was holding to Wone’s wounds during the 911 call (how else would you explain it’s disappearance?).
See i told you that drop of blood on the comforter was easy to explain.
Speaking of cleaning supplies and given that we know there was some serious cleaning done, do we know whether any were left out or strewn about when police arrived? If not, then which are we to believe: (a) that the “intruder” brought his own cleaning supplies with him that night and carefully took them when he left, or (b) used the family’s cleaning supplies and was kind enough to return them to their storage places? I’m sure it was one of the two.
Lyn, I think I love you! Finally, a sane explanation. Lol.
I am hoping that a lot of these questions will be answered during the trial. On that note (and please forgive my lack of knowledge in this area), does the Prosecution have to disclose all of its evidence prior to trial, or can they hold some for a surprise? Does the defense have to be informed of every bit of evidence? I think the answer is yes, but then I think about the “surprise witness” that we always see on tv. Is there such as thing as “surprise evidence”? Could it be something that was found at the murder scene, or did all of that stuff have to be presented?
I really do appreciate the wealth of legal knowlege here on the board, as well as the extensive research that is done to keep this site going. You guys really put a lot of time into this and it is truly for a just cause.
Ooops…that should be “former crackho”. One and the same!
Hey CHo.
As a general rule, the prosecution has to disclose everything in advance so there will not be any ‘surprise’ witnesses like on TV. The judge has ruled that the prosecution need not turn over to the defense copies of the Medical Examiner’s “notes” for example, but for the most part, the defense is privy to the prosecution’s evidence well ahead of time.
Maybe Hazel was the intruder. Nahh….she would have cooked a roast, too.
Alice, and Sam the butcher, perhaps? Now Sam could really lug a body around. And we know how Alice could clean.
Maybe they brought along Greg, Peter and Bobby to do all the scampering up and down the stairs.
It’s the story, of a lovely lady, who was bringing up three very lovely girls. Aunt Marcia! Aunt Marcia! Aunt Marcia!
My first thought was Hazel. But, then again, she probably would have cooked a roast.
echo
& bunnymen. they all helped with the cleanup.
LOL!
Check the almanac, was there a “killing moon” that night?
(Sorry, Robert.) 🙁
Perhaps, Joe and Victor were not worried about Dyl in part because they knew who killed Robert: Dyl. Their preference for damage control for their pet over justice for their friend just reflects the absurd priorities of many Americans who place their pets over their friends. But then again, who would go to jail for their pet, if it was alone responsible for a terrible crime? After all, you can always replace a pet.
But then again, why would underwear guy be only worried about Dyl at the police station? Was that worry concern about Dyl spilling the beans about Joe’s involvement? Or, was it simply sisterly, given the situation?
It’s possible that Joe and Victor were only ‘covering’ for Dylan initially, but I don’t see either of them allowing their entire lives (work, home, reputation) to go up in flames AND risk jail time for Dylan.
My guess about why Underwear Guy was more concerned with Dylan than Victor at the police station is because (a) Victor is more trustworthy/less ‘flighty’ than Dylan, and (b) Victor didn’t know nearly as many details to accidentally give out as Dylan did. Some would say that because Dylan may have been the target of the investigation (sleeping alone, across the hall) might have raised Joe’s alarm level, but I think he’s a true narcissist and most things are about Joe.
I hasten to add that Joe “believes” that Victor would do anything for him – while he likes to think Dylan does too, he’s not quite as convinced as he is with Victor.
I think you spot on, Bea. As much as we love our pets, many still have to be crated when we leave the house for any period of time.
BenFranklin – If my understanding is correct, you believe that Ward killed and cleaned up on his own. If you are suggesting that Price and Zaborsky were not involved in the clean up/cover up, then how do you account for the missing blood-soaked towel (the first one) that Zaborsky claims Price was holding to Wone’s wounds during the 911 call (which was subsequently replaced by a second towel that Zaborsky brought to Price during the call)?
Lyn,
I think Ward stabbed Wone in the shower of the bathroom they shared while Wone was rinsing & putting in his mouthguard after masturbating. Wone sternly rebuffed an unwanted advance by Ward, triggering the stabbing.
Ward let Wone bleed-out down the drain, perhaps molesting him as he died.
There was only one not very bloody towel.
“There was only one not very bloody towel.”
I agree that police only FOUND one not-very-bloody towel and therein lies the problem with your theory that Price and Zaborsky were not involved. You see, Zaborsky himself stated to police that, while on the phone with the 911 operator, he “grabbed a towel and…Joe was already applying pressure to the wound. I gave him ANOTHER towel.” According to my count, that is two towels in the room with Wone while Price and Zaborsky were awake and present, yet only one was found by police.
In addition, it sounds like you believe that it would make sense for there to be only one not very bloody towel because “Ward let Wone bleed-out down the drain.” This sounds like your explaination for why there wouldn’t be blood in the guest bedroom or seeping out of Wone, right? But what about Price’s statement to police that, upon finding the stabbed Wone, he “raised Mr. Wone’s shirt, and noticed a stab wound to his stomach and A LOT OF BLOOD ON HIS CHEST.” Where did all of that blood go?
So, BenFranklin, where did the first, blood-soaked towel – the one that Price was using to apply pressure – disappear to? And how did it disappear if Price and Zaborsky were not involved in a clean up/cover up?
::applause:: Let’s have some more of that, Lyn.
Ben, we are waiting…
The lack of response from BenFranklin speaks volumes. The trouple either (a) disposed of the first very bloody towel or (b) lied (1) during the 911 call about it’s existence and (2) during police questioning about the existence of all that blood on Wone upon “discovery” of his body.
Neither A or B bode well for a defense argument that the trouple are innocent bystanders in this matter. Disposing of a bloody towel is quite obviously a problem. Why dispose of a bloody towel before the police arrive unless you are covering up something? And if they lied about holding a blood soaked towel during the 911 call, it kinda makes you wonder why, doesn’t it?
Any way you slice it, dice it, stack it, wrap it, it all comes out the same. Murderers.
This may be slightly off topic, but I have had a theory for a while about why Ward and Price were freshly showered.
The night of August 2 was very hot and humid. My theory is that both of them cleaned up the scene and one or both made a late night trip to a local garbage cans/dumpster(s) to dispose of the evidence. Even a quick 10 minute run through the neighborhood would have left them very sweated. They couldn’t very well explain to the police why they would be so sweaty if they were supposedly sleeping.
Did the police ever search any of the local alleyways? When was the garbage pickup in that neighborhood? Is there a closeby commercial strip that would have larger dumpster that could hide evidence and likely be cleaned out on a daily basis?
Hi Franz, I don’t think the garbage was searched – someone on here has mentioned the ease of disposing of such items in the neighborhood. Me, I think Dylan and Joe showered to get the blood off of them, not to mention the sweat of of having moved a grown man, redressed him, and then ‘sweating’ the details of the cover up. I do wonder if Victor showered too – “appearing freshly showered” referenced all of them.
I wonder if they all showered together, bonding in their solidarity as the water washed all those pesky damn spots down the drain.
Franz,
This certainly isn’t off topic. I have thought that the disposal of incriminating items (bloody towel, knife) could have been a quick job knowing the police wouldn’t search for any items in nearby garbage bins that night. Whether it was picked up by sanitation engineers or if folks came back later that day and removed it to a more discrete location is certainly a plausibility.
David
I’ve always believed it would have been easy to drop a bag of trash in any trash can on the street. The alleys are full of garbage cans. And who’s to say there was a lot of stuff to dump. It could have been nothing more than a grocery bag of rags and towels. A lot of people have talked about “play mats,” etc. That’s so orchestrated. I don’t go with that.
Interesting post, Franz.
“Appeared” syn=”seemed” is not conclusive language. It’s subjective suggestive, inuendo affidavit language for the purpose of getting a judge to sign on the dotted line.
Wearing robes (or underwear) around the house, or having sweaty or damp hair, is not unusual in DC humidity on a hot August night.
“Smelling of soap or shampoo. Dripping wet.” That would be conclusive language, and it’s not there.
As AZ theorized in an 2008 post, stuff may have just been simply stashed downstairs in the unit for later convenient disposal. We still don’t even know if the scene was secured between August 6 and 12 between the first & second round of search warrants.
To amplify David’s response – If as we’ve been told, MPD and the investigators’ initial instincts said “intruder,” and ‘a’ knife was found at the scene, maybe the police were not of the mind to search the garbage cans immediately after the murder.
Excellent point to bring up, Craig.
At that time, there was no reason to search. and who knows, they could have rinsed any bloody items off and thrown them in their own garbage cans. No indication that the police looked there. Considering how ballsy Joe is, it wouldn’t surprise me.
“Oh, those damp rags? We washed the windows earlier.”
Trash day at 1509 Swann is Tuesday/Friday, by the way.
It wasn’t until days later that the house was searched. Even then there is no evidence that the police department searched surrounding the alley.
With Victor away, the boys will play. I wonder when Victor’s arrival was expected. I wonder if Joe suggested Sarah find somewhere else to sleep August 2nd.
Mr.Wone was done for before he ever got to Swann St. They planned it.
I think they set up in Sarah’s apartment, and when things went wrong, Mr. Wone was stabbed to death. They dragged him out of the apartment’s exterior entrance and stabbed, then hosed Robert down at the base of the steps. Joe probably held Mr. Wone, Dylan held the hose. One of the wounds was still oozing enough that someone jammed a towel into that wound with enough pressure to leave a depression. They had to get him upstairs (2 flights) and redress him. Cut the t-shirt. Put in the mouth guard.
Somebody had to get rid of evidence. Grab a hefty bag, toss it in the trash and be back in 5 minutes. Maybe Victor took care of that part, and when he got back, and the boys felt they were sufficiently staged, Victor screamed, and a few minutes later made the call.
While the murder piece of this horrible crime may not have been consciously planned, what did they think would happen? Reality must have gone out the window for these three long before this happened. All batshit crazy.
This is pure speculation and full of holes, I know. I’m sorry for being graphic and, direspectful towards the memory of Mr.Wone. Better I remain a lurker. I hope justice is served.
One thing that’s been brought up before but not really resolved – did the police find an extra change of clothes among Robert’s belongings at Swann Street? Robert (so we’ve heard) was a very careful planner and had arranged this stay-over at least a week in advance. Kathy “helped him pack.” So what did he pack? And did Kathy give details?
If no extra set of clothes was found, it’s another big hole in the defendents’ secenario. Clearly an intruder would not have had the time or inclination to redress and stab Robert, disposing of his original apparel.
Pardon my ignorance, but is there any way on earth to find out what items of evidence the police collected from that apartment?
Not ignorant at all, and a good point.
Interesting….surely he wouldn’t wear the same work clothes to work the next day. So, if there were no work clothes or a set of seemingly FRESH work clothes at the scene that could mean his work clothes worn that day could have been bloodied and disposed of.
It would be great to know this. If he had fresh clothes in his bag, plus what he was wearing, but no ‘stale’ work clothes, one would assume not only that they were trashed but also that he was attacked while still clothed. If they are still there, and unbloodied, then one would assume he was attacked while naked (say, in the shower, as CD has surmised all along). Anyway to get a hold of the evidence log? My guess is NOT.
Correct me if I’m wrong – but didn’t Robert and Kathy hit the gym on the morning of Aug 2?
Those gym togs (maybe a W and M t-shirt?) could’ve been in his bag. And depending on his workout habits, he may have had another fresh set packed in there as well for a visit that never happened on Aug 3.
That evidence inventory could provide some answers. Yet, if one is to believe a murder weapon and other items (towels, tarps, etc.) were spirited away under cover of night, any of his clothing could’ve vanished as well.
Although that evidence list probably won’t surface until the May trial, we’ve obtained another document (to be rolled out in the coming weeks) that may shed light on some of the more nagging questions that have lingered since the investigation began.
tease.
Weeks!!
(tongue in cheek)
Oh, Craig, your withholding of this tantalizing tidbit is obstructing my armchair investigation.
Actually Mike, the moon was a waxing gibbous that night. the full moon was the next night.