A Document Dump
We’ve learned a little more about the Silver Spring, Maryland property that Michael Price and Louis Hinton lived in at the time of Louis’ April, 2006 arrest on second degree assault charges.
8335 Grubb Road #202
Montgomery County real estate records show that unit #202 at 8335 Grubb Road was owned by Joe Price at the time of Hinton’s arrest.
Joe and perhaps others purchased the 696 square foot garden condo, in May of 2004 for $287,450. Joe Price, et al. later sold it in March of 2007 for $320,000.
We don’t think Joe ever lived on Grubb Road, but multiple documents show the property as a residence for both Michael & Louis over a number of years.
But there is another property address connected to Louis Hinton we’re looking at today, 1727 R Street, NW #401. And like the Grubb Road condo, this one too is owned by Joe Price.
Through the diligent work of regular reader and smart commenter CDinDC, this was posted earlier which showed that in at least one instance Louis used Joe Price’s R Street, NW condominium as an address at somepoint between 2002 and 2004.
“According to Maryland court records, Louis Hinton used 1727 R Street, NW #401 (Joe Price’s condo) as his address for a civil case (tax lien) docketed 03/13/2002. The amount was satisfied 04/05/2004.”
We’ve also come across another document culled from a ‘comprehensive report’ that showed Louis Hinton also using Joe Price’s R Street condominium as an address for a voter registration form in the District of Columbia. We’re uncertain when this voter paperwork was completed, but it’s possible it may be retrievable through the DC Elections office. This is all we were able to turn up:
Voter Registration:
Name: LOUIS O HINTON
Address: 1727 R ST NW APT 401, WASHINGTON DC 20009-2448
Political Party: NONE DECLARED
State of Registration: District of Columbia
Vote early, vote often?
-Craig and Michael
It seems as though Mr. Hinton might owe Joe some favors…
700 square feet seems kind of small for a 2 bed room condo. Hmmmm
And it seems kinda pricey for 2004. After fees, he didn’t walk away with much, considering he was selling in a seller’s market. Stick to intellectual property, Joe.
Did I miss the source of Joe’s money? Did he inherit from family (and did Michael receive any), or did he earn so much prior to making partner that he could afford – I can’t even keep up with the number – to be buying so many houses?
inherit money?
some girls have suggested she is from the trailer park — mom may not have been in the picture — not sure about dad but some have indicated a very broken family. not sure of his relationship with daddy – or his brothers relationship with daddy but would love details. source of money was arent fox; who probably (over)paid price millions over the years for intellectual property work. the gravy train is apparently still running – she and victor are rumored to be living in a $2500/month apartment!
momma shoulda went to law school here. . .
The average salary for an IP associate is $165K to start……a 5 year associate…..200 or more. Plus bonuses. He was only a 1 year partner, so he probably wasn’t into the reeeeeeally big bucks yet. But 200-250K isn’t shabby.
Hmm….here’s one for the editor’s…..know anything about it?
THIRTEEN CLUB CHARITABLE TR
1016 CONSTITUTION AVE NE
WASHINGTON, DC, 20002-6224
Contact: JOSEPH PRICE
Employee Identification Number:
Ruling Date: December 1996
Deductions: Contributions are deductible
Foundation Type: Organization which receives a substantial part of its support from a governmental unit or the general public.
Activity: Described in section 170(b)1)(a)(vi) of the Code.
Activity: Non financial services of facilities to other organizations.
Organization Type: Trust
Latest Return Filed: December 1999
Filing Requirement: 990 – Not required to file Form 990 (income less than $25,000). No 990PF return.
Fiscal Year End Date: December
Asset Amount: $0
Income Amount: $0
Form 990 Revenue Amount: $0
Organization Type: Private Independent Foundations
To my knowledge, Joe is no longer associated with the Trust, nor was he for some time before Robert’s murder.
so what was it? You seem to know.
The 13 Club is a community service organization/ “secret society” that Joe and Robert were both involved in at the College of William & Mary.
So was Joe superstitious….
The Thirteen Club
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In the 1880s, The Thirteen Club was created to debunk the superstition of ’13 at a table’ being unlucky. This belief states that when 13 people are seated together at a table, one will die within a year. They met on the 13th of the month for a dinner served to 13 people at each table.
By 1887, The Thirteen Club was 400-strong, over time gaining five U.S. Presidents as honorary members: Chester Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt.
The ’13 at a table’ superstition may take its origin from The Last Supper wherein 13 people dined (Jesus and twelve disciples) and Jesus died soon after, or from the Valhalla Banquet story in Norse mythology. That story tells about 12 gods invited to a banquet. Loki, making thirteen, intrudes and Balder, the favourite of the gods, is killed.
In New York at the December 13 1886 meeting of The Thirteen Club, Robert Green Ingersoll ended his toast, “The Superstitions of Public Men”:
“ We have had enough mediocrity, enough policy, enough superstition, enough prejudice, enough provincialism, and the time has come for the American citizen to say: “Hereafter I will be represented by men who are worthy, not only of the great Republic, but of the Nineteenth Century.
CD – Very nice post. I had just run across the Thirteen Club Trust in my research, and was about to do some follow-up. I realized that there would be no IRS files since they were not obligated to file any tax returns, so that avenue would not be fruitful. Interesting material.
– Michael, editor
Interesting. Does it tell us anything?
Not at this point in time, but worth seeing if it leads into additional insights into the social and professional activities of Joe Price.
Michael, editor
I find it an interesting tidbit relating to a the Wone/Price friendship. Wone was said to be so busy that he scheduled his personal time with “friends” between meetings. And some people have intimated that they lost touch with Robert. What was it about the friendship with Joe Price that Robert found the need to maintain it? Robert was a busy man….I would imagine Robert found it necessary to be selective in how he spent his personal time.
What, are you implying that Joe was “special” because the two were in the same club way back in college? Robert was also chair of the DC chapter of the Wm. & Mary alumni club. Joe was most likely active in that too.
Why would it be Robert who felt the need to maintain the relationship with Joe? Joe could have been the one pursuing Robert, and who knows what he might have told him to get him to come over.
Pure conjecture:
If Joe is the control freak I suspect he is (already controlling two ‘love-objects’ Victor and Dylan) he may have viewed Robert – the straight roommate he desired but failed to ‘turn’ – as a particularly attractive further conquest. Finally he could successfully exert his control over Robert and punish Robert for his ‘rejection’ of Joe / refusal to act according to Joe’s fantasy. Poor Robert would be completely unaware of the melodrama in Joe’s head.
When Joe controls / dominates the objects of his desire, he guarantees that they can’t reject and abandon him…. like mommy ?
Now with the murder, they’re more tied together than ever.
okay, now I’ve made myself have to vomit.
Maybe I read too much into photos (it’s that INFJ thing working again), but Price just has that mean little mouth and just a kind of pissy look; more someone who would whine and get petulant than boss anyone around. Ward just looks haunted and dead-eyed (sure it is a mug shot, but still–there’s no emotion there). Wone looks like a sweet person who would go out of his way for someone, maybe maintaining a friendship out of a sense of duty/misplaced loyalty? Pure conjecture on my part.
http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/notice-description.tcl?newsletter_id=888072
That link leads to an old fundraising notice put out by Log Cabin Republicans for Equality Virginia. If you put the phone number in for a Google search (like this: (202) xxx-xxxx as opposed to 202.uuu.uuuu you get a page with “Michael Price” and the Constitution Ave. address. Odd thing is that for age it reads “52” but it’s the same number. Not really signif. but a bit interesting.
Oh, the fundraiser lists D. Ward as the contact. Meant to include that.
Log Cabin Republicans, OMG! That must be the assimilationist in Culuket talking.
On the other hand, Michael may resemble 52, however … only from behind, perhaps.
Dylan’s pad in Fort Lauderdale: Another address to check out is 2601 NE 17th Ave., Apt. 408, Oakland Park, FL., conveniently located within walking distance of the Ramrod, Fort Lauderdale’s main BDSM bar. Dylan lived there as well while supposedly in Miami recently.
Thanks Grisham – We’ve got a number of Dylan’s addresses from public documents and sources that we’ll share soon, including a few anomolies.
-Craig, ed.
i lobby for more posts on the enigma that is ms. dylan ward. addresses, photos, friends reflections, family observations, etc. . .
no stone should remain unturned as there are many out there who believe that her possible mental health deficiencies and her possible drug use (abuse) caused and/or contributed to this sad situation.
i would love to see someone qualified do a psych eval based on whatever information is uncovered. sadly, there hasn’t been that much revealed to date on ms. ward. isn’t there a deap throat out there anywhere, girls, who can give us some material?
Quickly, then. Before you too are accused of taking too long to fix everything up nice and tidy before calling 911!
Craig,
Still awaiting what else you have on Dylan’s other addresses; especially his time in Florida in 2007/2008. It now seems that he was also busy making some preparations for Eye Candy DVDs while in Ft. Lauderdale during that period.
Grish – Thanks for the reminder. We need to get on that. Stand by.
And you believe that all of your undisclosed knowledge of Dylan’s various Florida addresses; “a number of Dylan’s addresses from public documents and sources that we’ll share soon, including a few anomolies….”
… are more important than what all of you editors have recently been posting on your site? For example:
“The editors have gathered on the first Saturday in May for nearly the last 20 years to take part in one of the greatest sporting events: The Kentucky Derby.”
With more stuff like this, you guys could quickly become as credible as the perps, their defense teams, and their friends who post here.
Come on, Grisham….why are you busting the eds chops for this? They deserve a day off like just like anybody else. They give us something everyday. Give ’em a break.
I thought it was a fun diversion that resulted in a really nice donation to the REW fund. Had me cheering for their pick!
Cut ’em some slack.
Of course they do CDinDC. As you or I do (or should be able to, in my case).
But more importantly, not while any of us take a month to disclose evidence we have found, if we value the mission of those who established this site.
Craig and edits. Love your site. When are you going to get on the “Dylan’s stay in Florida” thing?
“Busting the eds chops”? Maybe not the best example.
Not to pass judgment whether or not it is undesirable or useful.
But just wondering.
Do any of you four editors also post under other names on this site?
Ultimately, I really don’t care so long as you remain laser-focused on uncovering the truth required to convict those who murdered Robert.
Grish – Noted. We got a little backed up. eyecandy came in over the transom via Bea and that was too good to sit on. And we had the hearing the week before that. We’re hustling as best we can while still holding down fulltime jobs.
And as far as the Derby goes, in my home there are only a few days on the calendar that are more important.
-Craig
Craig – thanks for your reply. As you know, I think venting steam with Derby posts, occasional silliness and the like is good for all of us (even though you hated and banned my limerick … but alas, I remain hard at work at one you might approve of).
Can you confirm where Dylump lived in Fort Lauderdale in 2007-08? And from which dates? And whether or not he had any other addresses in Florida during that time?
Grish – We’ve got most of that. Addresses going back to Dylan’s days as a Hoya as well. Give us about a week or so to compile and sort.
-Craig, poetry fan
Great Craig. Look forward to seeing this vital information posted this week. And will try to summarize my impressions in a poetic form more commonly accepted than my dirty Irish limericks, for your pleasure.
Some sense of realistic perspective clearly needs to be re-established here. Being around all this weird info everyday is making some contributors lose healthful perspective. The editors credibility is not
the issue in question here.
I have yet to question the credibility of the editors of this site. On what grounds do you accuse me of this?
Your words:
With more stuff like this, you guys could quickly become as credible as the perps, their defense teams, and their friends who post here.
I stand mistaken. You are right.
With loathsome perps, other vile possibilities have to be considered. Including an emboldened Dylan Ward roaming about Thailand and Florida following the murder of Robert Wone:
“Brown was found beaten and stabbed to death March 21, 2008 in his condominium in what police believe was a murder-suicide. Brant Hines, 27, a troubled drifter who attached himself to Brown for about five years, was also found hanged to death from a strap in Brown’s doorway….. Myers said that when police identified Hines’ body, several officers recognized the 27-year-old as a frequent drug user.”
https://www.floridablade.com/2008/3-27/news/localnews/4533.cfm
Was Dylan ever spotted at Rooster’s bar in West Palm Beach in early 2008? Do regulars at Rooster’s really believe the dual stabbing/hanging story, or do they suspect some other fowl play?
Did Dylan actually live for a while in this Fort Lauderdale apartment building in 2008? Or were credentials posted on the internet about his massage services at this location a hoax?
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2609-NE-14th-Ave-APT-504-Oakland-Park-FL-33334/71724940_zpid/
Well it certainly looks like the kind of vulgar white-trash doper condo-hole where Dylan would re-start his life (for the 18th time) …
I posted the incorrect link, sorry.
http://images.house.info/a9/a938fc54ffbb3e2a2c5ea492b1a84e5f.jpg
http://wilton-manors.fl.house.info/93185-house
Is this where Diana lived (borrowing your subtle humor from earlier) before moving into “the house that Price built?”
Questions to ponder….why did Ward move to Florida in the first place? Were the embers of love dying down or were Price and Zaborsky planning to move to Florida and, in the meantime, Price was keeping Master comfy whilest he was so far away?
I think Dylan wanted to go (prolly to “play”), Joe (as always) capitulated and Victor was just glad to have him gone … Joe wasn’t about to give up his day job. Besides with 24 hours of interrogation (so full of self-confidence that they weren’t even with counsel), no charges in over a year and Dylan being a liability, who wouldn’t want him away for a while?
But why not “you go your way I’ll go mine”? Was Dylan hanging too much to hang over Joe’s head? Joe and Victor bought a house in Florida…..certainly not because they were saavy real estate investors. From what I can remember, it’s a modest little rambler. That doesn’t speak of the loving gesture of a dutiful sub. Maybe more of “this is what I can afford right now….the splashy condo will have to wait a bit…..sir”
Joe was in “love” (weekend trips to FL; tickets are cheap; Victor won’t have to “suffer” Dylan), thought they probably were ok with the investigation after a year, Joe held multiple goods and control over Joe, things could/probably/would get worse in many ways with Dylan in DC, best place they could afford (Miami, South Beach – gee is that more of a drug culture than say, the outer banks?) to keep Dylan satisfied …
I’m not sure if anyone has noted the importance of the Florida Homestead exemption. That is they can’t take it from you as a judgment on a civil suit.
I’m being repetitive, but – I feel strongly that Dylan was a s0-called ‘service top’ and that Joe was the dominant actor. Joe dominated both dylan and victor, compelling them to stay in a relationship that was structure to benefit Joe, and Joe only. I can imagine someone like that ‘ordering’ one of his love-objects to leave the city, come back, go here, there, I can take away your place to live and I can give it back to you.
OJ Simpson bought a house in Florida once a trial was approaching, as Florida laws protects property in that state from being taken in civil judgments. The OJ Simpson case was well known to the attorneys at Arent Fox, as one of their own was a network legal commentator on it.
Dylan went down to Miami to do the same for Joe’s gang. He informed the DA of as much. But likely went up to Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach for playtime so as to not, literally, “piss in his own new backyard.”
Ah of course. That explains why they are holding on to that FL house even while Joe is claiming that they have sold all their assets for their defense in his plea for contributions. Just in case, since as we also know from the OJ cases, civil suits are easier to prove.
Interesting theory, Grisham. So that little rambler could have been a financial ruin safety net.
Sweet Answer! I missed the property part entirely …
“fowl play”- one of the great ones for this site.
Does that mean unsuspecting chicken?
It’s probably another one of Joe’s kinky habits.
Certainly, some information we all come upon is bogus. Intentionally planted to misdirect investigations. But all of these anomalies actually contain very useful revelations hidden within their deceptions.
Anonymous says:
April 8, 2009 at 7:04 PM
What, are you implying that Joe was “special” because the two were in the same club way back in college? Robert was also chair of the DC chapter of the Wm. & Mary alumni club. Joe was most likely active in that too.
As I said, Anonymous, Robert was a busy man. Just wondering what it was about Joe that Robert made an effort to maintain their friendship. And who knows, maybe the fact that they had a history of being in the same organizations DID make Joe a special friend. What’s the point of your question? Anything wrong with being a special friend?? Are you a friend of Robert’s that didn’t get time?
CD – fyi comment above – https://whomurderedrobertwone.com/2009/04/07/trading-spaces/#comment-2909
NM says: “Why would it be Robert who felt the need to maintain the relationship with Joe? Joe could have been the one pursuing Robert, and who knows what he might have told him to get him to come over.”
Spot on. I didn’t look at it in that light. Re your above post of today, I’ve often thought that Joe was the ring leader of the entire event. Dylan was just a pawn in this tragedy AND in Joe’s life.
I believe that Joe felt angry at a possible turn-down by Robert. “What do you mean you don’t want to be with me/us???” Joe wanted what Joe wanted. And this resulted in an assault on Robert and his ultimate death.
Interesting NM. This reminds me of the birthday party they threw for Robert. I’d like to know about how that came down. It seems like they would have to be fairly close to be throwing him a birthday party… or Joe wanted them to be.
Good point, TK. I wonder how involved Kathy Wone was in organizing the event, if at all.
But then the birthday party throws me. Would you suggest that Robert did not have the ability to decline the birthday party held in his honor (hosted by the residents of Swann St. and attended by Robert’s family and friends) if he was actively pursued by Joe? Not knowing Robert, I/we have no way of knowing if he picked up on any unwanted advances if indeed there were any. I believe Robert to be strong and savvy enough to say “Thanks, but no thanks.” or to have a smaller party with a couple of people at Swann Street. Even if Robert had not known (as speculated here) that Joe had feelings for him, wouldn’t the hosting of a birthday party that included family, appear to be a close and reciprocal friendship?
Wow TK – we were on the same page at the same moment!
Apparently so, Anon! Was it as big an event as you describe, at their house with Robert’s family and friends there? For some reason I was picturing it more a small group maybe at a restaurant, but that could be completely from my imagination. It just seems that… Robert’s family and other friends would not be likely to move in the same circles and socialize much with the Swann St. crew. Just sayin.’
This came up a week or so ago…..but I believe it was the first time at the Swann St address for Robert.
Hmm… I dont know CD. Would you invite family to a home you have yet to visit? Maybe that is throwing too much caution to the wind for me, but I sort of like to know my environment before I introduce loved ones into it when the situation can be controlled.
Robert’s first attendance at the Swann Street home, as reported in the media, was the birthday party that Joe and Victor threw for Dylan’s parents, who both were turning 60 years old. This was in June of 2006.
Thanks ladydetective.
Yeah! Thanks LadyD!
Could someone remind me – when and where did Joe and Dylan first meet?
I do not believe that has been discussed.
I thought they met
when Dylan rented
the basement
apartment of the
Capitol Hill house.
AWKWARD! I wonder what the parents thought of their living setup. Though I suppose to them Dylan was just a ‘housemate.’
But again, this implies to me that Robert was better acquainted with Dylan and Victor than I had thought. Robert is usually referred to as Joe’s old college friend but not much is made of his relationship to the others. It just seems like maybe he spent more time with all of them than we have been led to believe.
Someone posted to this blog that it was a cocktail party attended by family and friends. From what I recall, the poster did not attend but knew someone who did.
This was for Robert’s 30th birthday wasn’t it? Someone help me out?
No, not the same thing. Robert turned 30 in 2004.
Per CD, “Joe wanted what Joe wanted” and all the evidence of his need to control, I’ve turned around on who actually stabbed Robert. Initially, I believed that person to be Dylan; now, I believe Joe stabbed Robert Wone to death. Joe wouldn’t allow himself to be put through this aftermath if he could point the finger at someone else. And I do believe Joe pulled the knife out of Robert, as he initially stated. I’m wavering on whether the plan was to murder Robert from the outset, or whether a sexual overture/assault precipitated murder.
The needle marks and their location still indicate to me a level of planning with the intent of deliberately stabbing a man, and watching and waiting as he bled to death. Assuming Joe did murder Robert in a rage over being rejected, would he be so methodical in overpowering Robert, administering injections, deciding on and retrieving a weapon and means of containing blood, then so cold bloodedly committing murder? It would seem at least a few minutes went by between any rejection and the murder; would Joe’s reactions have escaped Robert so completely that he didn’t sense some level of danger? Assuming the unsent text messages were written by Robert, it would appear his final thoughts did not indicate that he felt himself to be in danger.
Answering one of my own questions, if I initially believed Joe Price was capable of luring Robert Wone to a planned murder, I guess I can see that he would be capable of planning a murder after some sort of rejection.
The closeness of these other players to the three suspects does suggest the possibility that there was another person in the house (not Morgan) that night, and I don’t mean an unknown intruder. Michael apparently had easy access. Though the alleged murder weapon (and I assume the ‘electrical device’) came from Ward’s room so it leads back to him being the lead player. It reinforces the theory that the other person could have made off with most of the bloody linens.
It also does seem odd that Robert would make this special effort to visit Price, then just chit-chat for a few minutes before going to bed. Maybe he was more tired than he expected?
Ex Swann Dude says:
April 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM
>>>>(Miami, South Beach – gee is that more of a drug culture than say, the outer banks?) to keep Dylan satisfied …<<<<
“The outer banks”. ROFL I can see it now….Dylan in his board shorts on the shores of…Duck.
grin
Given that my personal history has considerable time spent in DC and in Miami Shores, where Dylan was arrested, I want to make this comment. Miami Shores was sort of an early suburb of Miami. It is much more staid than Miami or Miami Beach. Comparing it at all to South Beach is like comparing West Hollywood to Pasadena. I think it is interesting that they bought a house in the Shores. It is not as cheap as many up-and-coming parts of Miami, in fact it can be quite pricey. It is not the least bit gay feeling, though a lot of gay couples have bought there. There are a lot of churches and civic organizations there, and the Catholic church has some big seventies-looking center there where they run their diocese from. I think the fact that Price bought there means that they were hoping for a more quiet life, and of course for the precious homestead exemption, which is why so many criminal types move to Florida in the first place. I don’t think that this case has garnered much attention in the Shores or South Florida generally, because the local news is always filled with somebody being arrested there who fled to Florida. The government leaders are always being arrested, and church leaders, a parade of pedophile priests and embezzling ministers make people sort of immune to the news. The best submarine sandwich in the world is served in Miami Shores, called the Zonker, so that shows there is something good going on there.
[…] some reason, Joe also found it in his interest to keep his brother close to him, in some fashion, by providing a place for him to live. He also provided Michael with a key to 1509 Swann Street, as well as the code for the burglar […]
In light of LadyDetective confirming that this was not Robert’s first visit to Swann Street, why did they feel the need to “show him the bathroom”….”show him the guestroom.” Seems like he would know the house. Just a thought.
And a good thought at that CD. Maybe it was trying to show good manners and to be sure that Robert had everything he needed for the night.
Unless they provided him with a toothbrush, razor, and other personal needs, wouldn’t “Towels are on the sink” suffice it for an introduction to a bathroom?
I wonder which of the three reported the introductions to the guestroom and bathroom. This would tie into the presence of Victor too.
I think they all said that when they were being questioned…..each said something to the effect of “we talked about blah blah, we talked about the shower breaking,………”, then we showed him the bathroom and showed him the guestroom.”
I remember hearing something about Casey Anthony not too long ago…..they said that when people are lying, they tend to throw in a lot of needless detail to make it sound authentic, and it’s usually the detail that trips them up..
LOL – when I’m trying to gloss over something, that’s exactly what I do – throw in a lot of needless detail to make the awkward bit seem less prominent. And I’m a dreadful liar – I can never pull it off.
If I go to a place once for a party, I’m not necessarily going to remember where things are on the second floor. It seems to me to be a basic politeness, as opposed to saying “Well, you probably probably where stuff is. Head on upstairs on your own.”
Possibly Lance, but it should be noted that there is no bathroom on the main floor of the house. If Robert had ever had to use the bathroom at their house, he’d have used the same one he supposedly showered in the night of the murder. Though I agree, I would have walked him up to his room and made sure he had clean towels.
Agreed. I also agree this is usually a two minute event/conversation on the way up to the third floor bedroom …
Well, and no one’s saying it wasn’t one.
You mean second floor, right?
I would have said – you’ve been here before, guy, go sort yourself out. And if you don’t see it – I ain’t got it.
Then again, I don’t have many people stay over.
is it possible that this was a suicide? from what I have read, this seems as likely as anything.