Dylan Ward was born May 24, 1970 to Needham Ward, MD and Diane Ward. He is the oldest of five children. His parents and siblings live in Tacoma, Washington. Ward’s father is a well-known cardiologist.
In 1992, Ward graduated summa cum laude from Georgetown University with a BS in Foreign Service. In 1995, he graduated from the Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park, New York, with an Associate of Culinary Arts degree. In 2003, Ward earned a Masters in Children’s Literature from Simmons College in Boston, Massachusetts. Ward has also co-founded a small educational publishing business, “The House of the Tiger Aunt” based in Taiwan. He has written and edited numerous children’s books, several of which have received awards.
After graduation from Simmons College, Ward relocated to Washington, DC, renting a basement apartment in the Capitol Hill home of Joseph Price and Victor Zaborsky. When Price and Zaborsky sold that property, Ward relocated with them to their new home at 1509 Swann St NW, this time renting a room in the house.
Ward began work for Equality Virginia (EV), a gay rights advocacy organization (where Price was a Director), after moving to Washington, DC. As EV’s Development Director, Ward broke all organization records for fund raising. Ward left EV and joined a direct mail funding raising company providing development support to non-profit organizations. He continues to do contract work for the fund raising company, writing fund raising letters for clients.
In 2006, Ward graduated from the Potomac Institute for Massage Therapy and obtained his license to practice as a massage therapist in the District of Columbia. In 2007, Ward traveled to Thailand, completed a six-week training course in Thai Massage, and obtained his certification to practice Thai Massage in the United States. After completion of the course, Ward returned to the United States and continued practicing in Washington, DC.
Ward moved to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, in October 2007. He continued performing contract work for the direct mail fund raising company while living there. In June 2008, after Joseph Price and Victor Zaborsky purchased a home in Miami Shores, Florida, Ward moved into that home and managed the property for Price and Zaborsky. Ward returned to Washington, DC, after his indictment in the Wone case, and resumed living with Price and Zaborsky in an apartment they rented following the sale of the 1509 Swann Street NW property in June 2008.
According to court documents, Dylan Ward was involved in a three-way intimate relationship with Price and Zaborsky. Price and Zaborsky shared the master bedroom, were in a committed, intimate relationship, and were registered domestic partners. Ward occupied a second bedroom in the Swann Street house, and was involved in a personal, intimate relationship with Price. The nature of the relationship with Price included a dominant-submissive sexual relationship, with Ward playing the dominant role and Price the submissive role. Zaborsky has stated that he, Price, and Ward were all in a relationship as a “family”, but that Ward did not share and equal part of that relationship, however, they were attempting to make it that way.
Dylan used to get drugs from a dealer in the east market area. Not sure if this helps, but I think his dealer used to be involved with some gang related stuff in the camp springs area.
Hey Johnny, welcome – if you have specifics, contact the Eds. They’re great. Did Dylan have a drug of choice? How long ago was this and did he use regularly or sporadically? Inquiring minds want to know!
Thanks!
Get a life.
DID YOU USE THE SAME DEALER YOU SEEM TO KNOW ALOT ABOUT HIM.
One might be interested to know that Ward was quite the sexual deviant and even was noted to have “an electrocution unit…that can produce electric ejaculation of a person who is under anesthetic or otherwise incapacitated.” If he was involved in the relationship, why would he need such device? The device would be used for “non-consential” intercourse, would it not? I am curious about the legal stance on this device…
I, too, am dying to know what drugs he was into and maybe we shouldn’t look so much into Price’s brother’s involvement, but instead Ward’s aquitances. There is a good chance that maybe Ward had some “sketchy” friends that very likely could have supplied him with whatever incapacitated Wone and aided with the murder.
Also, the work of this case was clearly done by someone with knowledge of the law… Someone who did not know much about legal proceedings would never be getting away with a crime for 3+ years.
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/01/AR2009060103472_5.html?sid=ST2009053102566
Interesting that, supposedly, they all had a glass of water shortly before retiring close to 11pm. Why not a beer or glass of wine, that would be more likely to be offered when a friend arrives to spend the night. But let’s say it was just water – would that be better for drugs to be dissolved in?
And would that be the reason Robert Wone went to bed so quickly instead of taking a shower – because he passed out? And why, as it was stated by the dependents, would Wone even plan to take a shower at night instead of in the morning? Seems very odd.
I’ve been following this story since it happened – the whole story is so bizarre and outrageous. Hard to believe no one has been charged yet.
I was wondering how Wone came to have his own semen all over himself.
You’ll have to continue to wonder about any semen, where it was, and how it may have gotten there. I doubt that semen is involved in a conspiracy and cover-up trial. Wait for another day when there’s a murder or sexual assault trial, if ever.
Nathan- I shower mostly at night. It helps me sleep better. And don’t forget it was a hot, humid August day.
I hear you on that – ok, makes sense. Have been doing more reading of the investigative reports, and apparently Wone had a lot of needle pin pricks all over him, and according to his wife he hadn’t been to the doctor recently. Also, the crime scene was almost totally clean when the EMS and police arrived – why would they clean up the crime scene unless hiding evidence. Forensics applied a special chemical and found there to be, not visible to the eye, traces of blood all over the wall and pull out sofa, etc, but, get this, they had to toss the evidence because the chemical wasn’t applied properly according to guidelines. It all seems like another OJ Simpson type of case – you know at least one, maybe two must be guilty; and the intruder story is so preposterous and implausible.
From the Washington Post article referenced in an above post…”She said she counted six premortem needle marks on his chest, right foot and left hand and several more on the left side of his neck.”
I wonder if the reason no drugs have been found in Wones blood is because Ward was trying to use Acupuncture as the paralytic mechanism? He then subsequently studied massage therapy – and Acupuncture, while very different, is still a close kin to massage and to those who study it.
I once had a paralyzed shoulder from a nerve problem and after just one Acupuncture treatment was able to move it again – this being after 2 weeks in a hospital trying various Western medicines and treatments. So this was the reverse of what possibly happened. I believe that the needles, when inserted appropriately and into the precise areas into the nerves can do both – act as a paralytic and also, as I experienced first hand, bring nerves out of a paralytic state.
Acupuncture has been looked into as a possible reason for the puncture wounds, however, acunpuncture needles are far smaller than hypodermic needles, and do not leave a mark the way a 33 gage hypodermic needle, which is the smallest.
The autopsy did not say no drugs had been found. It said that no drugs that were screened for were found. The screen did not include testing for drugs known to induce paralysis or incapacitation. My theory: drug administered in “glass of water,” then additional drugs administered via hypo needle to incapacitate. Several needle injections needed to prolong or “perfect” incapacitation. Shock contraption mentioned in affidavit for arrest warrant used to…ahem…torture and induce ejaculation in unconscious victim. Stab wounds inflicted to create appearance of death by intruder, when actual death was caused by either accidental or intentional drug OD or accidental or intentional fatal shock. Not sure why more blood was not retained for a more comprehensive drug screen, or why these drugs would not have been screened for when the manner of death was what it was. Should’ve been obvious stabs were not cause of death due to minimal blood at scene. However….I do find it extremely suspicious that a heterosexual, married man who has never overnighted at the home of these three roommates would have arranged to stay overnight. My radar says there was something else going on. I don’t believe that no straight man could or would ever say over at gay friends’ home just because they are gay, but it just doesn’t sit right with me in this case. Closet gay? ….
When Wone knew he would be working late that night, he e-mailed two friends, Joe Price and a female friend, to see if one or the other could let him use a spare bed. Joe replied first so that’s why he decided to stay there. Stop with your silly suppositions.
Oh please I know plenty of straight men who have gay friends and wouldn’t blink an eye over staying at their house overnight.
“… actual death was caused by either accidental or intentional drug OD or accidental or intentional fatal shock.”
The autopsy says he had blood that passed from his stomach into his intestines – suggesting he was still alive when he was stabbed.
Otherwise, I would agree that he probably died accidently and the stabbing was a cover-up.
Of course, there may be some weird CSI-type explanation for the anomalous results.
Maybe they thought he was dead already at the time of the stabbing.
How (or even more puzzling “why”) his own semen got in his rectum is certainly another interesting question.
Interesting these fellows were held up in a national publication as a model of a new untraditional family structure. Maybe there’s something to be said for tradition after all…
Please these guys aremlying and it seems like this Dylan guy is a freak by all standards….
so you must be a complete bore in the bedroom and as dylans cousin being a freak in the bed must run in the family it doesnt make him a killer you need to get a life ok and worry about youre self you are pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Little Dyland was the killer! Especially, the proofs are so clear that when the report indicated that accupuncture needle marks were found over various places on Robert Wone’s body. It is amazing that the police that night did not pick up and question more on the accupuncture marks goes to say that the police team better be knowledgable on alternative medicines when dealing with those devils in DC these days. One will find that by researching and reading upon more about accupuncture and accupressor points, the murderer will be pointed to little Dyland as he had some type of massage training. If the court or the prosecutor wake up and smell the coffee fast, the prosecution team should seek up on Dyland and play reversal psychology on him and have him talking without him knowing that he is spilling the beans on his use of accupunture needles on Robert. Since Dyland did have some training on being a massouse, it is not a suprised that Dyland could have learned it on his own on doing accupuncture, though, practicing providing accupuncture to others is unlawful since one needs to be licensed to provide that kind of service. All that is required of being a reliable, lawful, experienced, licensed accupuncturist, this little Dylan thought he was being smart that if he somehow could put Robert “under” by way of accupuncture or by way of finding the accupressure points without using any type of recreational drugs as all commentors on this site who believe that drug was the only way to make one sedated or incapacitated, he is safe and no one would ever finds out that how come no trace of drug was found in his blood. Accupuncture is potent when the administrator knows how to find the exact accupressor points to achieve the “result” and as reported by the autopsy that miniscule needle marks and very little trace of dry blood from those needle marks were found on the finger, foot, hand, neck,all over Robert’s body–jeezwiz — are consistent with use of accupuncture and consistent to the killer being Dyland red handed, no one else. All 3 of them keep saying to the police until they believe it themselves that they are innocent really makes me want to vomit. I only wish for the family of Robert Wone, that the prosecution team and the judge be more smart than the devil who is sitting in her court starring at her and who is so slick that hoping that no one will ever prove that Dyland was the one who got Robert to die and the others (2 or 3) helped out after the “done it” session and blame it on the black guy (as said by J.Price which I thought his remark about the black guy is so lame) to untangle is balled up murder mystery in a quickie. Call in a trusting Chinese accupuncturist to testify or explain or even provide a free session right there in the court to demonstrate with an unrelated, unknown volunteer to stage to everyone what that night was like when one is “under the state” of accupunture. Wherever the accupuncture needles are placeon the body have their own specific job to do to the person’s needs. If one to talk to a TRUSTING chinese accupunturist, one will find out that accupunture can achieve something without using medications that are chemically made drugs, as ones in the Western society only familiar with. One could draw a cartoon with little Dyland looking horrified or looking proud at himself that he just did something while holding the accupuncture pins with various sex toy paraphernalias use by homos and Robert lying there by him motionless with specs of little pin holes. When I went to do accupuncture to relieve stress because my reading tells me that the accupressor points are the answer to stress relief by way of opening up or freeze up my senses to do its job, I thought this is so much better than taking those prescribed drugs from my physician. Man, the more I touch on this subject of accupuncture, the more I think that the members of the court have not thought much of alternative medicine to relate to this murder mystery. Alternative medicine was the use to get Robert to where he was and this type of practice is unknown to the members of the court. I had accupunture sessions for stress related issues. Accupuncture works. My sessions were with a certified medical trained physician approved by my health insurance not just by some quack or shady practitioner like Dyland- a massouse, the medical physician placed many accupuncture needles on various accupressor points throughout my body. To share with commentors here, the feeling of “freezing” my senses were felt but as I lied there on the table I could hear some movement or even voice made by the secretary or the doctor moving around outside of my room but I was very much in a hazy state. I could hear but I could not lift my hands to do anything because I felt my body was “heavy” or by body was not in a “wake up” state. It did not take long after the needles were placed over the accupressor points to put me “under”. It took only about two or three minutes that my body went “under” so it really depends how good the administrator is. And as soon as a needle is removed, I was a wake. When the physician came in to the room, I could hear his foot steps came into the room but still could not move but could not have the strength to say but I could make a faint sound when I heard he asked me something. When he began to remove the needle one by one, I started to come out of it. I am not saying that Robert was so “deep under the state” though he was still conscious, it just depends on how the accupressor points were placed and what for –only an trusting experienced accupuncturist can say whether or not one can still be vocally responsive, so it could be damaging to the prosecution if the team get a lousy accupuncturist to tell tale as in one can be “deep under state” but cannot make a sound but there the neighbor heard a scream. It takes alot for one to be able to scream. But then I did not experience a knife stabbing into my abdomen when I did the accupuncture session to say that the stab could bring one out from the state and held out a scream. I am just sharing with the members of the audience here on this site should they are not familiar with what accupuncture could do to a person depend on the the purpose of the accupuncture session being applied. So the prosecution team must zero in and question more on Dyland from his practice to what he knows and why there are accupuncture marks on Robert’s body. Robert cannot place the accupuncture needles on himself because for the purpose to work, he has to lie there straight inorder for the adminstrator to find the accupressor points. Nothing more to it. Remember the scene when Dr. Spock in the 1960 TV series on space pinches an intruder at the base of the intruder’s neck then the intruder just melted to his knees and colapsed and remained unconscious. What got the intruder to melt and remained unconscious was Dr. Spock located the accupressor point of the body and supposedly temporarily disengaged to body without drugging the intruder. I truly hope the prosecution team take up on alternative medicince practice and call in an accupuncturist to demonstrate in the court what can happen with a use of accupuncture or accupression points. thanks.
“…and as reported by the autopsy that miniscule [sic] needle marks and very little trace of dry blood from those needle marks were found…”
The autopsy found no such think. In fact the autopsy determined that the needle marks were made by larger bore than acupuncture needles, hollow needles.
sorry, “no such thing”
me and my friends used to participate on a fund raising event for the protection of panda bears;~’
I don’t have the time to read all of the material on this site, but has anyone speculated that Ward had a longtime sexual interest in Chinese men? I’m just speculating but it seems like Ward was drawn to work in Asia, and just possibly he had a sexual interest in doing so. A lot of gay man have specific types that they are attracted to.
I know we’re all just guessing here, but guessing based on what’s known and by our own experiences.
If Ward is the sexually dominant person here, and if he has a sexual interest in Chinese men, then could he have been the main person responsible for the death of Mr. Wone? Perhaps he was the one who (being sadistic and being interested in Chinese men) did all this. Just a thought.
I had the same thought in regards to Ward being into Asian men.
I thought the same because he did go to Asia to do massaging..why? If he was the dominant one in the relationship they would definitely cover for him because they dont want to loose him. He probably lusted for Wone and Wone being straight had to be subdued by Ward to be a willing party in his sick fantasy.
It’s not surprising he would have a fetish for Chinese men. Of the 3 townhouse residents, Ward is the one I believe who most likely sexually assaulted and murdered poor, unsuspecting Robert Wone.
Like his other housemates, Ward was a very good actor: he fooled Wone into believing he was “just a normal guy with a different sexual orientation.”
We now know, thanks to the police investigation, just how utterly sick and depraved he really was.
This creature, along with his fellow deviant housemates, is a DANGER to society. Straight men everywhere should be alerted to the presence of these sick freaks. They should NEVER be allowed anywhere near young boys.
Jesus, take off that habit, Sister Mary Catherine.
Their sexual practices may have led them to murder, but the two not cause and effect. Thousands of people engage in the same sex practices that the Swann St residents do, and they never find themselves in a courtroom.
At this point, sweetheart, Dyl is only a threat to the pocketbooks of budget-conscious, coupon-clipping old queens (like yourself, Keith?) who can barely afford his spa services. If he was still living with Culuket, however, then we may be worried about what they would do to — fellow middle-aged men who may fall unwittingly into their midnight madness.
I don’t know about all that Clio (my darling). It is my belief that Lil’ Dyl will possibly only be stopped when he commits another crime.
[this post is in no way intended as a post in support of other purposely provocative and prejudicial posts that generalize from the specific (Ward) to an entire class of persons that have an interest in BDSM sexual practices. To follow that logic one would need to extrapolate from available data and conclude that all heterosexual men were a threat to all women and girls and indeed to other men and that they should all be incarcerated. With apologies to Valerie Solanas I’m not ready to do that.]
[…] After graduating from Georgetown summa cum laude, Ward picked up degrees in culinary arts from the Culinary Institute of America, children’s literature from Simmons College and masseuse license from the Potomac Institute of Massage Therapy, according to WhoMurderedRobertWone.com. […]
annazed who said he did antthing you need more then circumamstsntiol evidence ou he would have allready been put aaway. who are you to say he will do this again did you know him personally? dont mke assumptions anna .
What is it with gay masseurs? Why would someone whose father is a “prominent cardiologist” become a masseur? My brother’s “boyfriend” is a masseur and he lives rent-free off of my brother thanks to my father’s (and deceased mother’s) cash. Just because he has a “state license,” being a “massage guy” for a job is kind of skanky. Don’t you think?
Ummm…to touch men! legally!
I get it that you don’t like the way your brother is spending your parents’ money, and his taste in boyfriends. In response to your first question, I can only say that the children of ostensibly “successful” parents do not always wind up choosing their parents’ lifestyles, and one can’t begin to know the particular reasons for that without knowing about that family and the person’s experiences since leaving it. However, if you have spent any time reading through this website, you’d know that the purpose of this website is not to pass judgment on anyone’s lifestyles and activities, as long as they do not break the law. This website is about the crime of murder and its coverup, and discussions about the lifestyle of the defendants is only relevant insofar as understanding how they lived might contribute to an understanding of the crimes that were committed against Robert. If, say, a crime was committed among a group of zealous boxing fans, their interests and activities around boxing would only be relevant insofar as they might cast light upon the motives and acts of the criminal(s) in the group.
Did I read that the knife set, minus one LARGE knife was found in the BEDROOM of the sexually sadistic Ward? Is that true?
Isn’t it creepy that he keeps a knife set in his bedroom? Like they are some sort of sexual tool? A tantalizing clue again, like so many things here, but if it’s true, it’s hard to be sure with legal certainty what it means.
Of course I think many can guess with some accuracy why Ward kept the knives in his bedroom.
I have two different cases with knives in them in my bedroom. I own a lot of knives. The cases are in my closet. The reason is that I am a very finicky and particular chef and do not allow others any chance to use my very best knives, and lord knows that my boyfriend endures enough from me micro-managing his use of the lesser one’s that live in the kitchen that he’s allowed to use. Dylan Ward was at one time a culinary student, it’s not actually all that odd.
By the way the missing knife was not “large”: that’s just your own Freudian fears speaking.
The NYT has an article on family drama in Apart 9B at the El Dorado. Most interesting was the comment:
“I was saying it was my apartment, but she would say it was not, it was hers and I was to do what she said,” Mrs. Cheney would later say in court. There was a tussle. Her daughter, she said, twisted her legs until she wet herself. “She blew smoke in my face,” she said.
It is not clear how many hours she was on the sofa, her right arm red and swollen, before Ms. Gordon’s key turned in the lock and she encountered the troubled Tibetan spaniels.
As she rushed around, calling 911, cleaning up Mrs. Cheney, trying to calm the dogs, Ms. Gordon caught a glimpse of Ms. Wells coming out of her bathroom.
“I said to her, ‘Diane, something is wrong with Mommy,’ ” Ms. Gordon testified. “She went into her bedroom and closed her door.”
The whole story is at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/nyregion/18nineb.html
When I read the words describing the person who most likely attacked the mother … it hit me as the same behavior of Dylan Ward exhibited toward the EMTs. Creepy similarities.
That Cheney family makes the much more famous Cheneys seem almost harmless. Their sad saga also underscores the problematic effects of arrested development and inherited wealth, both reportedly components of the Dylan Ward Show.
I do wonder how our boys treated Aunt Marcia, when they were staying at her place. Was their second stay a Brady Bunch reunion, or was it a Grey Gardens in McLean? Only Covington counsel will know for sure, I trust.
huh?
probably if you click on her name (which I wouldn’t do) you’ll be taken to a porn site or some phishing site.
No, it takes you to what appears to be a legit training site. (emphasis on “appears”)
I am in the camp that believes Dylan Ward had some sexual fetish for Asian men. Possibly young Asian men. Robert Wone had a young, boyish look. The travels to Asian countries, where maybe it’s easy to buy/rent young Asian men seems suspicious. I don’t even know what to make of the children’s literature thing and grifting lifestyle.
It seems entirely possible Ward accidentally killed Wone as part of some dominant (uninvited) sex play and thought it better to stage a murder from an intruder than face a rape/accidental death. Whether the others knew about it, I am not sure. I wondered if that shock box was used incorrectly and the current went through Wone’s heart. The presence of drugs not tested seemed entirely possible also, though. Zero percent of me believes the “stabbing” did it.
Victor seems the least involved of anyone. I haven’t read a ton about this case, but it appears Victor wasn’t involved in the S&M stuff. It seems as though that was what Joe Price was into so Victor thought it was OK and they had an open relationship. I mean, maybe they did have weird threesomes, but it seemed like it was mainly Price and Ward who were involved sexually, and then Victor and Price romantically.
Price seemed defensive, like he was protecting Ward. I think it’s possible he knew, even if he wasn’t directly involved in the rape or death. If Ward did it and made the crime scene, anyone would have to notice the lack of blood. But I think for sure most of this falls on Ward.
The thing I wonder is how long does it take for bleeding to stop after someone is stabbed to death? Does a body produce less blood when stabbed if it’s already dead? Because so little blood is really weird.
While I am not a doctor, it just makes common sense to me that if a person is dead, his heart has stopped pumping. This would mean that blood would not be pumping out.
I am not sure whether the physical trauma to the heart from the stabbing would have obliterated any evidence of a heart attack or other sudden heart stoppage.
It has been suggested by the doctors called at trial that an effect known as cardiac tamponade combined with Robert’s body position (lying on a bed) lessened the amount of blood shed. There still seems to be blood that is not accounted for, although it may have been the result of the hospital’s use of chest tubes to siphon off the blood.
Pure…somethin’ (with a few more pics)
http://web.revulu.com/post/4615056054/pureenergy
These pix, like the ones on his massage site, actually make me smile and shake my head. I don’t know how many still reading remember “Ben Franklin” who used to post. In his first wave of arguments (before that all three were innocent), he claimed that Dylan the maniacal lone killer – for two primary reasons. First, no grad of William & Mary could commit a murder, so Joe Price could not be the murderer. Second, it was his argument that Dylan was an Ambien/Lunesta-crazed zombie killer strong enough to kill Robert Wone in the shower and carry him to the bedroom without assistance.
Many of us responded that Dylan was (according to the arrest report) 5’8, 135 lbs., but Ben argued that the expensive suit hid his absolutely buff physique.
Old-timers like me might recall that Ben claimed to have photos of Dylan that proved without a doubt that Dyl was “ripped.” Craig called his bluff, and Ben, of course, was unable to cough up the photos (and compounded his lies rather than confess).
I’d have loved to have had these skinny-necked Dyl pix then.
Susan and Bea, I love those digital daguerreotypes: I guess that someone may have graduated from using mere disposable cameras.
Dyl looks much more professional with his Pure Energy white polo uniform: did Needham give him some much needed fashion advice?
From these photos, Dyl has finally grown up and has an adult-like confidence about him: he looks like a mid-level software engineer from Silicon Valley. But what price did we all have to pay for this late blooming?
gylan nere needed help gettimg dressed, im sure he eas capable of of picking out his own clothes, tou guys csn at least give him some credit even if yiu think hes a cld hearted murteder. dianne
as some one who actually knows dylan and isnt judjing due to his freaky sex habits or drug habits witch most of you guys are doing i know the person outside of the bedroom and he is the sweetest man so give me something more to read about then him getting his freak on. love you dylan and i dont care that you are a freak i guess im one to and i like it. love youre cousin dianne
I really don’t care about how vanilla or how freaky he is in the bedroom. I care about the fact that someone was stabbed to death in his (dominant overseer’s) guest bedroom. Why is “the sweetest man” refusing to tell both the police and victim’s widow exactly what happened that night?
I don’t think that Dyl is/was that freaky in the bedroom: those “advanced” and “enhanced” tastes came from the Brothers Price. Method acting can be so commercial, especially in the world’s oldest profession!
bill o, look dont get smart i cant answer i dont know all the fact im simply saying that so much of what im reading is about his sexual behavior and im over it who gives a shit what he chose to do in the bedroom. it just seems to me like alot of imature coments are being said all i know is my cousin dylan i dont know if he did it or not but im going to chose to be here for him regardless and i hope you are never put in this situation.dianne
Hello Dianne, and welcome. Perhaps in time you will take the time to read the actual posts on this blog, or maybe just the short form FAQ/Wone 101 page. There are many many things to be learned here, and I have always maintained that the sexual preferences of the subjects of this inquiry are among the least of them. On that I think (it’s hard to tell from your mangled syntax) we can agree.
It is interesting to me that you have chosen to ‘be here’ now ~ so long after all of the dust has settled on the uneasy detente that now passes for life for your cousin. Where were you during the trail and subsequent negotiations in which all three men, including your cousin, agreed to pay Robert Wone’s widow and unspecified but certainly considerable amount of money rather than break their silence about the murder of an incapacitated man in their home? Could it be only now that the specifics of this terrible crime and your cousin’s part in it are trickling out to the tentacles of your family? I did notice a distinct lack of coverage of the entire matter in the local press in the environs of Dylan’s ancestral manse. One does wonder about Christmas celebrations; doesn’t one? What is the polite response when a man appears at the dinner table who has been pronounced by an Associate Judge of the Superior Court for the District of Columbia to be certainly withholding evidence of a capitol crime? Might I recommend a little light reading http://www.scribd.com/doc/33715531/Judge-Lynn-Lebovitz-Verdict-Final-Order-06292010 so that you may be able to consider yourself fully briefed on all talking points should they arise. Perhaps over Christmas goose you might inquire what exactly is meant by “cold comfort” (reference page 36). That could be a lively conversation starter, or stopper (depending).
I’ve been pretty consistent at saying that the sexual orientations and sexes of everyone involved have been pretty important. If Joe, Victor, and Dylan had been three heterosexual men, and Robert Wone had been a woman who was stabbed to death in their guest bedroom–after the only other woman who lived in the house had found a convenient excuse to spend the night elsewhere–the very first question the cops would’ve asked was, “Which one of you three was fucking her?” I don’t fault the cops for jumping to the conclusion that this was likely a sex crime. They would’ve immediately assumed it was a rape/murder and proceeded from there.
Bill O:
Granted that sexual orientation and sex of the defendants and the victim were relevant issues for purposes of the criminal and civil trials, please give me one valid reason that persons on this blog should be so obsessed and interested with their current sex lives? Hint: Amusement, morbid curiousity and scab picking are not valid reasons.
Still hoping for a response.
It really depends on the type of sex. If you tell me that Joe and Dylan have been involved in S&M with a string of 30-something Asian men, I think that’s relevant. If Joe and Dylan have both converted to heterosexuality, I’d say that’s important, too. I continue to think that this episode started as a sex crime and ended up being a murder.
How does one “convert” to heterosexuality? And how would Joe and Dylan “converting” to heterosexuality after the murder be relevant to WMRW? Fascinating stuff though, Bill O!
I think Bill O’s point was clear to anyone trying to understand it. You ought to try comedy, Bruce!
Bruce already has, Bea: sometimes, his schtick works, and sometimes, it does not work. In this case, it did not work, but he’ll try again soon, I am certain.
The fact that Dyl’s cousin continues to read our comments here is reason enough for me to (again) thank the Editors for their tireless, seemingly thankless efforts. Perhaps many others of the friends/relatives of the may-we-still-call-them “defendants” are still with us, and that is encouraging.
Just wondering if Dyl’s cousin, dianne garrett, was named for her aunt, Diane Ward?
Interestingly, while she seems to admits that Dyl is a “freak in bed,” she says that doesn’t make him a “killer.” I’d say that’s a given. She also admits that “being a freak in bed must run in the family.” The Ward family, or the garrett family? See her 12/20/11 posting above.
This poster is worth keeping an eye on!
I doubt she’ll stick around. Someone whose writing is that manic looks like a fly-by to me. I’m curious about the Ward’s annual Christmas letter, though. I’d imagine it reads something like, “For the second year in a row, Dylan got away with murder, which was huge relief to us all!”
Hi Dianne:
Please ignore the usual crazy rants from those responding to your post. There are some very rude irresponsible people on here unfortunately. This is not a blog for you, but thank you for your post nonetheless. This is not an objective forum to dealing with your cousin and the others. A number of people on here don’t know proper borders. Thank you for posting, and your post does not deserve those rants. I have been on here for some time, and I have tried to get the group to be more civil, and get off the revenge rants that some people (but certainly not all) on here somehow think they are royally entitled (for some reason). There are some people who do not have much lives of their own, so they like to pick at scabs, including others scabs. Whatever your cousin’s faults or actions, you personally do not in the least deserve some comments you have received.
I do agree with comments as to the editors. They have usually done a very good job of trying to create a civil discourse, with only a few exceptions, and have provided a forum of great factual information available to all as to the cases involving your cousin.
I think your point was to tell us your heartfelt personal feelings and that you don’t feel it is fair to concentrate on or belittle the sexual practices of consenting adults, including your cousin. I could not agree more, and I have to think that well-meaning responsible people on here would agree. You wisely do not comment on the guilt or non-guilt of your cousin. No one stands in your shoes, and no one has the right to criticize you for your choices.
Virtually all of these “rants” from irresponsible people do not lead anyone any closer to finding out who murdered Robert Wone, which is the whole reason for this blog.
Happy holidays and don’t let rude and irresponsible people bring you down.
Bruce, can you cite even one “crazy rant” in response to Dianne’s post? Just one will do. Thanks!
Bill O;
You can read as well as I can:
(1) Unnecessary condesending reference to mangled syntax;
(2) Unnecessary rude reference to “uneasy detente that now passes for life for your cousin”
(3) “Where were you during the trail (sic)? Unfair and irresponsible.
(4) “Could it be only now that the specifics of this terrible crime and your cousin’s part in it are trickling out to the tentacles of your family?” Love the use of the word “tentacles” to describe her family. Nice touch!
(5) “….environs of Dylan’s ancestral manse.” Please call the snark police!
(6) “What is the polite response when a man appears at the dinner table who has been pronounced by an Associate Judge of the Superior Court for the District of Columbia to be certainly withholding evidence of a capitol crime?” Nice rant!
(7) “Might I recommend a little light reading http://www.scribd.com/doc/33715531/Judge-Lynn-Lebovitz-Verdict-Final-Order-06292010 so that you may be able to consider yourself fully briefed on all talking points should they arise.” Crazy rant and snark.
(8) “Perhaps over Christmas goose you might inquire what exactly is meant by “cold comfort” (reference page 36).” Crazy rant and snark.
(9) Her writing is “manic” Sound familiar?
(10) She’s a “fly-by.” Sound familiar?
Sorry, can’t cite just one. How about 10? “Got Brains?”
JUST LEAVE ME ALONE OK IM DONE ALLOF YOU ARE RUDE AND MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY. DO NOT RIGHT ABOUT ME ANY MORE
Unfortunately, I would say that your 10 examples qualify as “snarky”, but none qualify as a “crazy rant”. And suggesting that someone read the most pertinent written legal opinion on this case is neither a “crazy rant” nor even “snark”. I’d call it common sense.
I guess we disagree on the meaning of “crazy rant.” Reasonable people can disagree on that.
Happy holidays.
THANKYOU BRUCE, MY NATURE IS TO PROTECT BUT I HAVE DECICED TO STOP ALL BLOGGING ON THIS THESE PEAPLE ARE SO MEAN AND JUST DONT GET IT. HES MY COUSIN AND WHEN I HERE RUDE REMARKS LIKE THAT DYLAN KID DID IT HES A FREAK THATS UPSETTING TO ME I AUTOMATTICKLY WANT TO PROTECT HIM . I NEVER ONCE SAID IF HE DID IT OR NOT THAT I DONT KNOW. I JUST PRAY THERE WILL BE CLOSURE FOR THE DEASEAD FAMILY ONE DAY. THANKYOU FUR BEING KIND IT MEANS ALOT DIANNE
Why is your writing ability so poor? Isn’t Dylan Ward’s family full of educated, rich folks? Perhaps you should follow in your cousin’s footsteps and get a degree in writing from Simmons. Regardless, you should ask your relative some hard questions about what really happened the night Robert Wone was killed in his house. Look over all the info here about Dylan and his “family”‘s statements and actions. Then go to the police with the information you gather from the family. Thank you.
Bruce, how can you type that you’ve tried to get people to be “more civil” when you’ve engaged in name-calling (and apologized once or twice to me personally, only to do it again and again)?
Dianne, I have cousins I love. I don’t care anything about their sex lives (presuming consenting adults, of course) nor do I care about your cousin’s sex life independently of what happened the night Robert was murdered, and then only if it had anything to do with Robert’s murder. If your cousin is innocent why not get him to answer a couple of questions? You could post “for him” and he can deny he ever answered!
I have two questions for Dylan:
1. regarding the polygraph he took the night Robert was murdered, to which questions did the polygraph examiner note him to be “untruthful” (or, at least, inconclusive) – and what were his answers to those questions?
2. Dylan stated to interrogators that at 10:30ish when Robert rang the doorbell, he had to “throw on clothes” (which implies that he wasn’t wearing clothes). In responding to officers’ questioning, he said he “thinks” the shorts were a rust color and not the tan ones he has on at the station. I’ve often wondered why he didn’t “throw on” the same shorts – presumably the easiest to grab. I could understand the switch if he’d decided to wear pants, not shorts, but he put on shorts and a long-sleeved running jacket zipped to the neck. Do you know if anyone LOOKED for rust colored shorts and did they find them (or were they thrown out)? To be clear, I don’t care if Dylan sleeps in the buff but typically if I’m expecting company, I keep my pants on (noting that he had not yet retired by taking “his pill” at that time). All three men explained that Victor was already “ready for bed” and that’s why he didn’t greet Robert, but it sure seems like Dylan intended to say hello (even if he didn’t expect to answer the door).
If you want to answer just one, the polygraph one would be my preference. I just don’t remember anyone here ever discussing the rust versus tan shorts issue before. We do tend to go on tangents (even nonsexual ones) and I’m surprised that we haven’t discussed this (or at least I don’t remember it — the rust colored shorts thing struck me a few weeks ago, which is why I think this blog is still relevant – facts and theories strike at the most unusual times).
I do hope you continue to post.
IM DONE BYE FIND SOME ONE ELS TO BULLY
Gosh Bea:
Quite recently, you posted:
“Bea on 11/29/2011 at 3:31 PM
My guess is that Victor KNOWS, even if he doesn’t know, that the moment he leaves on business his bed becomes a playground for Joe. My other guess is that Joe’s attractiveness meter has taken a major hit (far less money and influence, far more pounds) and thus the boys parading through may be far less desirable – does that make Victor feel better? How sad.”
That doesn’t sound consistent with what you just posted to Dianne:
“I don’t care anything about their sex lives (presuming consenting adults, of course) nor do I care about your cousin’s sex life independently of what happened the night Robert was murdered, and then only if it had anything to do with Robert’s murder.”
Should I find more examples of your great interest and obsession with the Swann 3’s current sex lives, which have nothing to do with the murder?
That was Dianne’s point. She is not taking a position on his guilt or non-guilt. The whole point of her posting is to ask that people stop their purient postings about her cousin’s current sex life. That is a reasonable request….why don’t you do it? Why don’t we all do it? That will not be any hinderance to your investigation of the guilt of anyone. You know, that whole WMRW thing?
Happy holidays. And remember — honesty is always the best policy.
error….should be “prurient postings” in 2nd to last paragraph, rather than “purient postings.”
Bruce,
Even when family members won’t defend their relative’s innocence, and can only say she won’t take a position on his guilt or non-guilt, well, that speaks volumes as to where they really come down on the guilt issue.
David
Hi David:
Maybe, maybe not. I personally wouldn’t put a Romney ($10,000) bet on it, but you can see and deduct whatever you like, and draw whatever conclusions or assumptions you like. I don’t think that Dianne was interested in going into the hornet’s nest of guilt or innocence. She was just pointing out the unnecessary and hurtful discussions of current “affairs,” in a manner that this blog sometimes gets bogged down with. She points out that what people say here is seen by a number of people. People posting should try to be responsible in what they say. This is not a game. The bashings and irrelevancies effect people, like it or not.
I don’t think any of us really want the blog to be known as simply bashing and discussing prurient and irrelevant issues. Let’s stay on course. Maybe it is just me. I would prefer to find out WMRW.
Bruce, you can have the crown – King of Out of Context Posts. Nobody can post on anything Bruce doesn’t like AND he gets credit for trying to make us all “be civil” BUT no one should mention how many times he was called out for stooping lower than anyone on name-calling foolishness.
I like that Dianne has guts enough to post. She doesn’t need you to sidle up next to her to tell her what bad folks we are – seems to me that you’d rather she NOT post just in case she might consider that her cousin is in deep on a terrible crime and has empathy for the deceased and his family. She just doesn’t like people picking on Dylan for his sexual proclivities – I don’t blame her for that. Yes, I’ve posted many many many times here on issues which tie in sex to what may have gone wrong that night but I don’t give a flip what you do or Dianne does or anyone else EXCEPT IF IT ENDED IN A CRIME. How hard is that for you to get?
But back to that failed polygraph and those rust colored shorts. . .
Bea, of course Bruce is entitled to his viewpoints of D. Ward and Dianne. But I missed the post where Dianne appointed him official interpreter of her posts. Where was that?
It also seems that Bruce either has a super short memory himself or suspects the posters here do. Otherwise, how could we remember the chain of his snarky posts, game playing, name calling, etc.
Relationships, sexual and otherwise are part of the case of the Murder of Robert Wone. Period.
Anyone who has read this blog knows that it’s a very accepting, open-minded group. People like Bruce who make a living/practice of throwing wrenches into the works like to creat fiction out of whole cloth.
Bea:
I understood all your bashing. What I don’t understand is how your post…….:
“Bea on 11/29/2011 at 3:31 PM
My guess is that Victor KNOWS, even if he doesn’t know, that the moment he leaves on business his bed becomes a playground for Joe. My other guess is that Joe’s attractiveness meter has taken a major hit (far less money and influence, far more pounds) and thus the boys parading through may be far less desirable – does that make Victor feel better? How sad.”
….is consistent with your saying above that you talk about sex of the Swann 3 only “which tie….to what may have gone wrong that night……”
As Seth Meyers says on SNL: “Really!”
Please explain. Your answer is worth 70 points.
Still awaiting response….
Bruce, anyone could take two unrelated posts and say THERE! as you choose to do. Your posts, and your insistence on name calling, lack integrity. I am really curious as to why you post since you seem unconcerned with how Robert Wone was murdered while alone with these three men; anytime someone has a theory, you do your best to poke holes in it yet you’ve never put yourself out there with a theory of your own. I know that you see yourself as arbiter of truth and fairness but it gets old – anyone can quote out of context and anyone can say “I HAVEN’T READ ONE THEORY WITHOUT PROBLEMS” but OF COURSE all theories have weak points because they are theories. Any time you’re ready to present someone willing to say exactly what happened that night, please do.
Like Judge Leibovitz, I don’t think anyone else was in the home that night with the possible exception of a man summoned for sex play for whom the door was left open. But on that, I’m all but convinced that he’d have been sold down the river long before now. Assuming the cops did anything at all right that night, there would have been an e-trail UNLESS Joe picked him up while he was “working out” after work.
Three men and a guest who is murdered. Although Joe sent Victor up to call 911 immediately, without talking, Victor “guessed” that an intruder had come in and stabbed him (throughout referencing “we think”).
Neither Joe nor Victor check to see if Dylan is alive.
Joe tells some people that he pulled the knife from Robert’s chest, others that he simply moved it – but his fingerprints aren’t on the knife as it’s wiped clean. He strongly implies to a friend that he may have cleaned up the scene.
Dylan heard a high pitched scream or laugh. Joe heard low breathy grunts (sometimes 3 of them to match the stab wounds) while Victor heard screams until he listened to Joe’s version to Scott Hixson, then he changed it.
The ONLY reason that there would be no blood is if Robert died instantly of cardiac tamponade. EMTs thought he’d been dead for an hour. There were no defensive wounds and his own semen in his rectum. Six-nine puncture wounds unaccounted for by medical procedures were found on his body. His eye reveals a hemorrhage associated with asphyxiation.
Joe assumed that the intruder crawled back over an 8 foot gate rather than use the door – a good guess since the door was still locked.
Victor and Joe both remember the 911 dispatcher saying it was 11:43 PM even though it was 11:54. And insist on it. And rely on it to do the math of the timeline (Joe: the intruder had to have arrived and left within 5-10 minutes a few minutes before 11:43 – either 11:40 or 11:35 at the latest). Most likely (my speculation) is that the EMTs and cops kept up the pressure that Robert had been dead a while, which wouldn’t work with their story of hearing a scream/laugh/grunt.
Oddly, no one told the 911 dispatcher that he was already dead. Not conscious, yes, but they said he was still breathing (or simply didn’t answer leaving that assumption).
Joe claims, too, that Robert grunted once as he sat next to him.
So yes, the rust colored shorts are but one more thing that seems odd that night – why NOT put them back on? Many inconsistencies seem so minor – why DIDN’T Victor see Joe at the gym and why’d he even go since he didn’t work out? – yet they are abundant. Why did Victor tell officers in one instance that he last saw Dylan as he finished watering plants while Dylan was making the guest bed AND a second time saying that he’d passed Dylan’s room after watering the plants and saw the door closed? It sure seems like he was trying to buttress arguments about air conditioning and closed doors just as he “heard” Dylan notice the un-latched back door even tho BEFORE that he’d reported the fact to the 911 dispatcher.
Yes, we all know that polygraphs are not considered proper evidence in court. As you keep forgetting, though, they are widely accepted and used by police departments to be able to eliminate suspects AND are used widely by probation and parole officers (in THOSE hearings, they ARE considered sufficiently suitable evidence).
But Dylan failed his polygraph that night – and that doesn’t make you go ‘huh’ despite all the ridiculous inconsistencies and huge coincidences. You and I are very different. Perhaps Robert put his semen in his rectum while attending the CLE meeting earlier in the night and poked himself with a syringe while dining at Subway and used a pillow to choke himself as soon as he laid down at a 45 degree angle ON TOP of pulled down sheets and blankets.
The point of this blog, to me, is to try to find out who murdered Robert Wone. Simple as that. The dialogue here has produced a lot of good information – we know that the prosecution used things we raised in its case. At times we’ve gone off on tangents but like any group of people, we have (in an online way) gotten to know each other and tend to “talk” past the obvious.
With your exception, Bruce, I think the people who continue to post who posted before do so because it still galls them that these three men – at a minimum – are NOT telling everything they know about what happened. Under law, they are not obligated to do so, but I personally think they should. And yes, I think it adds to my concerns regarding their guilt that they don’t and that they’ve stonewalled.
Before you say “5th Amendment!” note that this forum is not a court of law.
I can’t say who murdered Robert. Some theories make more sense than others. But each new fact and every new opinion forms final considerations based on everything known as a whole, whether or not admissible as evidence. Cops work that way in investigations because each discovery takes them down a different path.
I appreciate that Dianne didn’t go on and on that Dylan was innocent – only that she was tired of the talk about him being a ‘freak’ sexually. She expressed concern for Robert’s family. I find it off-putting that whenever someone drops by who might have new information you’re quick to warn them against doing so. It does seem that you don’t want anything stated or posited which would add to the evidence (admissible or not) against the three men.
They have the stink of guilt around and on them not because of this forum but because of what happened that night. I only wish that they hadn’t been quite so successful of playing out the “math problem” Judge L credited with their acquittal. But the stink remains.
Have a good holiday, Bruce. If I’m wrong about you, I’m happy to hear your thoughts on what happened that night or why you seem so apprehensive in accepting anything “circumstantial” as being MEANINGFUL. This case is chock full of circumstantial evidence which is quite damning – only we don’t know which of the three did what or when. Not the same thing as innocence.
Bea:
Thank God. Your post is on topic — WMRW! Bravo.
Although I think your long recitation was more for Dianne’s sake than mine….
…and although you completely dodge the question posed directly in my post through slight of hand and magical mirrors….
…at least you are not fantasizing about the Swann 3’s current sex life as you tend to do, and did in your post dated 11.29.11, as quoted in my post. Kudos.
Please investigate closely Dylan’s apparently non-existent shorts. Maybe you will find a ninja, along with those non-existent blood stains. Query: if those shorts exist, do you think they are being kept like Monica’s blue dress? That would seem to insult intelligence,but go for it!
Please rely on unreliable polygraph tests. At least it is on topic. I personally have the opinion that those two things are not “worthy” of such intense scrutiny, and are very odd and wierd things to pick to attempt Dianne’s assistance, but everything as to the murder night should be looked at, I agree.
Nothing I say on here is trying to stop legitimate inquiry of the murder, and I certainly don’t have the power or desire to do so.
It’s the non relevant side-shows (like your 11/29/11 post again – your fantasizing about the Swann 3’s current sex lives) that I object to.
But, of course, I have no power to stop those games. They are embarrassing to read and a pretty sad statement of the posters, but so is life. Like you say, you and I are very different.
Happy holidays and I hope Santa gets you what you want.
Since I’m a diehard dyke, I’ll leave the fantasizing re the boys to you. Sorry you weren’t able to understand my post. Maybe next year.
Have a good one!
Thanks, Bea.
That was a great post and I didn’t realize there were contradictory statements made re the plants and seeing DW.
If Bruce wants to call you Ms. Marple, so be it. She always solved the cases in the end. It seems the deepest recesses of his snarky conscience can’t help but
concur with your reasoning.
Re the shorts, it is odd. Wonder if they ended up in the laundry where I believe traces of blood were found.
WHY SHOULD I CONTINUE TO POST I FEEL AS THOUGH IM BEING PROSECUTED FOR A CRIME I DID NOT COMMIT I JUST DONT LIKE HEARING MEAN THINGS ABOUT MY COUSIN AND THATS ALL I AMM VERY I GUESS THE WORD WOULD BE IMPULSIVE UNLIKE THE REST OF MY FAMILY I TALK ABOUT THINGS SOMETIMES I GO OVERBOARD AND MAYBE GET OUT OF LINE BUT REGARDLESS I LOVE DYLAN AND I PRAY HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING HARMFUL TO ANYONE IM JUST NOW LEARNING ABOUT THIS AND I WAS IN SHOCK I STILL DONT KNOW ALL THE FACTS BUT ICANT HANDLE HEARING THINGS LIKE THAT DYL KID IS A FRAEK ITS HURTFUL AND IT BREAKS MY HEART THAT ALL THIS IS GOING ON.
Dianne, thanks for persevering and welcome to the internet. First, disengage your caps-lock. This is the most basic of all rules of internet interaction. Posting your opinions in all-caps is considered shouting and is not only exceedingly rude, it is incomprehensible. Really trust me on this. Ask anyone, even Dylan.
I am trying to contain my flat out amazement that any member of Dylan’s family could only be hearing about this hideous crime now, though I certainly believe you. So, rather than my previous advice I ask that you read the very thoroughly researched two-part analysis by Paul Duggan in the Washington Post here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/31/AR2009053102510.html and here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/01/AR2009060103472.html There is even a quite informative info-graphic here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/06/01/GR2009060101137.html?sid=ST2009053102566
There are other values in life, important values, beyond liking people because they seem nice. I suspect (or rather I hope) that I am older than you are judging from your posts; so you might consider attempting to take a hard mature look a this situation and giving yourself some tools for making an informed decision as to what you think about it. No one is persecuting you, that’s absurd. Do some research, think for yourself.
anna,stop being so damn bitchy! i realize i said i wouldnt blog anymore but i just have to let you know how bitchy you sound sorry that im not perfect and dont know all the rules of typing etiqite. please yank that stick out of youre ass. thankyou
one more thing i allways think for myself. no one tells me what im going to do or say i say and do what i want. you dont know me so dont make comment like think for youre self. this whole thing is me taking a big risk my family sees this im out but that just a risk im willing to take. so have you had any luck with the stick?
annazed, i dont need you to tell me what to read. let me guess you spent half of youre life goingto school. well i spent mine in the real world raising 2 kids i have a grown son and a teenage son i im propably not a richy like you but i think if you learn to relax after the surgery you might not be such a bitch. and if that doesnt work go see a docter and get on some zanax cause from what i can see you need to relax.
Dianne, I am responding below because this thread is getting too narrow.
Again, I urge you to read the material available about this incident (there is really a lot out there, not just on this site) and form an opinion about it yourself.
It is not “bitchy” to point out that no one likes to be shouted at and that you were shouting at us. Proceeding from the assumption that you didn’t know that you were shouting, I explained this to you. There is no gentle way to do this that I know of, but someday you will realize that it was necessary.
Again, follow the links, read the posts (you can skip the comments actually, I can certainly see why many of them might be unsettling to you). Get as many of the facts as you can, but bear in mind that ultimately you will not be able to get all of the facts about the murder of Robert Wone because your cousin has refused to divulge them to investigators even under threat of incarceration.
It certainly is a matter of interest to the readers of this blog that any member of Dylan Ward’s family could be, at this late date, completely unaware that he was involved in a sensational murder case and was a defendant in what was then called the ‘Trial of the Century’ by some. One tends to think that with the internet there is no such thing as regional crime, but apparently there is. I searched the Tacoma and Seattle newspapers at the time of the trial and not once did I see an article referencing the local interest or entitled “Son of Prominent Local Doctor Accused of Obstruction in Shocking DC Murder Case” or anything like that, nary a word. I still find that very, very odd and I side with Camille Paglia who said of this case in 2009 (and I quote):
“From your description of the appalling news blackout on this crime, it appears to be a blatant case of politically correct censorship. The 11th commandment of the liberal mainstream media is that no evil shalt be spoken of any gay persons, who have been sanctified by their precious victim status, without which liberalism would implode.”
http://www.salon.com/2009/04/08/bow_2/singleton/
In fact your initial post on this site was framed as an accusation of homophobia against the posters here even if you did not yourself realize that that was the position that you were taking. It remains a disturbing subtext of this inquiry that many many people who might have had something to add to the inquiry (like for example an old sexual contact who might have been frightened, intimidated or drugged by any of these men) never had a chance to read about the murder because in many relevant corners of the world it simply was not covered. That is one of the reasons that this blog exists.
so youre not going to have the surgery to remove the stick? i dont need you to help me figure out how to read or type if i want to type in big words i will only because the caps are allready on.not because im shouting.
Boy are your family members gonna love it when they see the grace and decorum that you have exhibited in this public place, and they will ~ they definitely will.
do i care no i just have a problem with you i know how to look things up on my own. i really dont need you to try to help me you just need to pick on some one els ok. i still think you come across like you are better then everyone els and i still think you should take my racomendations
one more thing why worry about me and my knowledge on the case,im pretty sure i can do that on my own i dont need you to be my teacher and i dought youre older then me but i let you be the old one if you want.
Perhaps, the tan shorts matched the out-of-place-in-muggy-August blue running top — rust, I prefer, should be worn after Labor Day only. But then again Dyl did not want to watch Project Runway, and he may not have paid much attention to fashion.
BOY YOU PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER I WAS NAMED AFTER MY AUNT DIANNE.
IF I NEW THE ANSWERS YOU WANTED TO HERE FROM ME ABOUT THIS UNSOLVED CASE I WOULD DO IT FOR THE DECASED FAMILY BUT I DONT AND IM SORRY.
Thanks, Dianne. Appreciate your posts.
Bea: No room to respond to your latest, so I will do it here. I take it, then, that we should not see future posts like your 11/29/11 one quoted in my posts, at least from you. That’s a start. Hope you get what you want under the mistletoe!
Bruce dearest, that dreadful summer drought in Texas has caused a shortage of mistletoe this season, but I’m sure that our intrepid trouple — despite expanding middle-aged waistlines and embarrassingly common relatives — will find what they want in Miami, whether they have a sprig or not.
Cousin Dianne, Aunt Marcia, Mother Z., and Needham, among others, are wonderful citizens who certainly did not ask to be to related to the Swann Street Three, but it does take some courage and insight to criticize one’s own kin, however lavender that they may be. Unfortunately, that courage and insight seems to be lacking here; damage control for the living “victims” seems to remain the party line. Sigh (and not a contented sigh either)!
Clio! Thank God you are here. Please knock some sense into all of us. We seem to be all going a little mad. Tally ho ho ho……..
The people who read this site and the editors who created it all share a sense of horror and outrage that a young man was murdered, apparently for reasons, whether aforethought or not, that were recreational or by-products of recreation. It is extremely likely that one or more of the residents of the home committed the murder, and at a minimum it is all but certain that they know more about it than they have been willing to say, thereby impeding justice from being done. I think what is off-kilter about Dianne’s and Bruce’s posts is that they both say, in effect, “that aside, people still shouldn’t evince hostility toward the threesome.” This is like the old quip, “apart from that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?” Given this set of facts, anger would seem to be a natural reaction from anyone who reveres life.
Good points, Josh, esp. that one about Mrs. Lincoln. I think Dianne sounds like a really decent person with a decent heart but from what I’ve read, a lot of close relatives have those kinds of reactions.
Who knows what Dylan W’s role was but it seems certain from all the evidence in the trial, etc. that he knows more than he shared.
I remember a horrible show I saw once where the living relatives of Jim Jones, John Wayne Gacy and some other murderer were on Oprah or some show (late at night) and JW Gacy’s sister was going on about how great her brother was and J. Jones living adopted son was saying similar things about him. Mind you this was AFTER they both knew about the carnage their relatives wrought. It was sickening but shows how people compartmentalize things and delude themselves. People can be nice and “sweet.” They can also be “scary” as J. Price called Dylan Ward. More information needed. It’s the holidays. Maybe Dianne will send her cousin a nice greeting card with some follow-up questions. For the good of the cause.
no, no ones getting greeting cards from me. oh and wasnt dylan found not guilty in this case? let me know if im right or wrong since apparently bruce thinks i have no brains.
Dianne,
You are correct, your cousin was found not guilty of the crimes that were charged at the trial, however though, not because the judge didn’t think he was innocent, but rather because they (the three housemates) had not told the entire story about what happened that night, so she — the judge — did not have enough evidence to find Dylan guilty. Your cousin does remain a prime suspect, though, in the murder, since the trial was not for the crime of murder. It was a trial about other crimes related to the murder.
David
Brilliant, Josh. You figured it out. Robert Wone was murdered for reasons that were “recreational or by-products of recreation.” I guess we can all go home now. Thanks.
Why don’t you deal with your “anger” issues? Why do we have to deal with them? You need to resolve it. Or direct it to finding out WMRW? You seem to know how it was done, so who did it? Mrs. Wone is getting on with her life. Why don’t you get along with yours? How some people blab on and on in their little soap operas about the current sexual activities and employment of the Swann 3 is truly disgusting, disgraceful and simply prurient for prurient’s sake. It leads to recent posts suggesting (to others, but not the poster himself, although it wouldn’t bother his sleep at all what others do) that it is ok to harass, break laws and disturb the peace. These are not the words of rationale sensible people. Focus!
Concentrate on the crime! That is what this blog is named! It is not, or shouldn’t be, simply an avenue to express anger or irrelevant prurient interest in the present day circumstances of the Swann 3, which has nothing to do with the crime itself. It is an afront to the memory of Robert Wone. Focus!
I have always liked that Lincoln joke, but it has no relevance here. The current sex life and employment of the Swann 3 have absolutely nothing to do with the crime. In this regard, Dianne makes a lot of sense. What she is saying, and what I have been trying to say, is: FOCUS!
The Lincoln joke was spot on. And now Bruce is mad at Josh for making a good point (one can deduce this from Bruce attacking Josh for having “anger issues” – pot: hey kettle . . .).
And so, led by Bruce’s admonishment to concentrate on the crime, I’m still thinking of which polygraph questions Dylan lied about and those pesky rust colored shorts.
Dear Miss Marple:
Clue: The “pesky rust colored shorts” did not murder anyone.
Clue: There is a reason (gone over in previous posts on this blog ad nauseum) that polygraph results are not allowed in a court of law.
Clue: Focus!
MORE name-calling, Bruce? Not very civil of you. Of course you don’t want to know which questions Dylan lied about, because you don’t want to know anything that might lead to the murderer(s) being discovered! FYI, of course polygraph results aren’t evidence but they are routinely used to eliminate suspects AND by probation/parole officers to secure compliance. WOW, the SHORTS didn’t murder anyone? What about blood evidence ON shorts? Call me crazy.
Focus? On fact obfuscation like you, you mean? Or on coming up with new nasty names to call people?? You’re an interesting character, Bruce. I don’t know if you’re someone who wants these three exonerated or perhaps someone who simply likes to mock others for no apparent reason. Regardless, have a good holiday! Enjoy yourself!
I am just trying to wrap my head around how (apparently) non-existent blood stains on (apparently) non-existent shorts is going to crack this case.
Also, just trying to wrap my head around how polygraph tests, which are not allowed as evidence in court for good reasons, and which are unreliable and can’t be used as evidence or proof of “lying” are also going to crack this case.
That is what I mean by lack of “focus.”
Happy holidays!
Ever notice how the more logical your argument is, the more vicious Bruce becomes?
Word.
Thank you, Josh. Nice to see you back. I’m late catching up and don’t know what to make of Dianne. After three years, we thought we’d seen it all.
god i dont know what i should do any more i remember the cousin i grew up with and i know that it doesnt really matter what he was found not guilty dousnt really mean anything anymore. iknow im not the smartest girl i didnt go to college im actually the blacksheep of the family. but this is tearing me up emotionally you all allways have a mean comment intertwind in a nice one.dianne
so im not a family member saying nothing about his guilt i dont have a clue if hes guilty or not guilty i hope hes not but what if he is god i hope no family is reading this.dianne
no more blogging from me.
Thanks, dianne, for answering my question about your being named for Dylan’s mother. Presumably, your mother and Dylan’s mother are (were) sisters. I certainly didn’t mean to disrespect you or your views in my post, and I wish you well.
boofoc: I hope you know by the 10 examples I previously cited, that I was not criticizing you in anyway in my recent posts. While you and I have differed in opinions in the past, I respect your opinions and enjoy reading them.
Unlike some others, you do not concentrate on mere irrelevant prurient interests. You do not appear to be forcing others to have to endure any personal working out of anger issues. Your posts are focused, sensible with some humor, have focus and really seem to be concerned with WMRW. Sorry if there was any confusion.
i have to say my aunt diane was not my moms sister she was her sister-in-law my uncle needham was my moms brother
While I’m sure they could afford it, they spent a fortune on lawyers for their son. I’m sure it’s been very hard on them. Was Needham one of the ones who DIDN’T arrange for you to come to your mother’s service? Sad for you. . .
yes and my uncle mike
They sound like assholes to me.
well i agree if anyone should have been at her funeral it shoul have been me i was very close to my mother.
Dianne, at the risk that you will doubtless consider this comment as “mean intertwined with good” (and I do, honestly, wish you well), I’m tempted to predict that you might very well trade places with Dylan as “blacksheep of the family” in the not-too-distant future.
Dianne,
I’d like to echo boofoc here. If you were ever looking for a good time to reconcile with your estranged family, now would probably be a very good time.
no thanks
Why? Is Needham that bad? Is the other Diane mean? Is their youngest child a little too artsy-fartsy?
no they are great peaple i have my personal reasons why i dont talk to them it has to do with my mothers funeral and thats it. all my cousins are cool i dont have any hatred towards them im just hurt.
Families have their issues. That’s probably universal. Sorry to hear about your mother.
Did you grow up in the same area as your cousins?
yes and no i was a army brat moved back to washington after my firt child turned one. then i moved again after my 2nd child turned 1/2 due to a violent relationship. but as a kid i spent every summer with all my cousins going to camp and spending time in tacoma. i wasnt invisable back then.
FYI, I kinda like you too, Dianne. Hoping you’ll stick around. Happy holidays!
Yes, the Wards were a military family, just like the Prices. What more hidden consequences of the Cold War may we uncover? “Don’t ask, don’t tell” does have a variety of meanings here.
no the ward werent a military family i was when my mom married my dad she was no longer a ward needham was never a millitary person allways a respectful doctor.
Dianne, attacking people that you don’t know based on assumptions that you are in no position to make will not change the facts of the overwhelming public interest in the actions of your cousin. If you refuse to actually read the extensive coverage of this matter and somehow think that striking a pose of maternal victim-hood is a rational response to another person offering to help you make your way through the extensive information about this crime; then really I have no idea what to make of that.
Tell me, would you recommend that (say) one of your children spend quality alone-time with Dylan now or has your refusal to actually inform yourself placed you in a position that you simply don’t know the answer to that question? Good Luck with that. This is important real life information, not a TV show. It is information that you, the rest of your family and the public at large are entitled to. You assert that you do not “need” me to suggest to you what you should read to inform yourself; I suggest that you are wrong about that and that you most certainly do.
no i most certainly dont, i took youre info now why dont you take mine. dont talk about my children only i can you got it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please stop the snark and rants to Dianne. It is an embarrassment to the blog, it is disrespectful to the memory of Robert Wone, and exposes an immaturity of both mind and heart. Take upon yourself the responsibility to deal with your own anger and self-control issues and don’t subject guests and other bloggers to your problems. It’s easy, just act like you see mature people act.
Bruce, one wonders, what is the polite response to a poster who behaves in a juvenile, incoherent and vicious manner and responds by telling one to (quote) “please yank that stick out of youre [sic] ass”? I am a guest here as well, as are we all.
I don’t know about the proper “polite” response, but under the circumstances here, you don’t rant and snark the poster out of the box (see the previous list of 10 rants and snarks in response to Dianne, in my previous post, most of them yours). As FOX NEWS says “Some people might say you asked for it.” You don’t lecture. You don’t condescend. You don’t belittle someone’s relatives and family and children. You don’t assume to plant fear as to someone’s children. You don’t disparage. Utilizing some restraint, you don’t engage.
Really? You really had the cojones to say that without a hint of irony?
So true. Our legal lion(ess) from Illinois, Bruce loves to call the kettle “beige” — a line out of the bitchiest movie ever made — Boys in the Band.
Bruce, go read the lyrics to “Man in the Mirror” and report back.
MISS MARPLE, AUNT BEA, AND ASSORTED OTHER NAMES YOU’VE COINED FOR ME IN THE PAST
but that annazed had it coming she is rude and basically thinks i dont no how to us the internet oh and she wants to tell me how to type and throw a dig by saying ask dylan she sounds uptight and and rude and i do not regret telling her to have the surgery im sure a vet can do it. she ever brings my kids into her blogging she will cross the line. she must not have children or she would no that rule anna im not as dumb as you think i am. have neat life
All evidence to the contrary notwithstanding one must assume.
Oh my God in heaven! You have been called “Miss Marple,” a beloved and wise mystery writer? Holy Shit! You have been called “Aunt Bea,” a beloved and sweet tv character.
Jesus Joseph Mary. Make it stop. Make it stop, I beg of you. The pain, the pain…..
Call out the militia! Alert the media!
Happy holidays.
Because all women want to be called out as elderly heterosexual spinsters, right Bruce? Particularly those with Patti Smith avatars – “Jesus died for somebody’s sins but not mine” and “I don’t f@@k much with the past but I f@@k plenty with the future”? Right, you were being sweet. Sexist much? Let’s just make it clear I prefer that you not call me any more names. It’s a playground tactic intended to insult. Got it?
i kinda like you bea god its allmost immposible to stay of this blog. as long as annzed doesnt try to tutor me im just fine i stii think she should see my vet easy surgery to pull that stick out of her ass.
Dianne, are you possibly drunk? I haven’t seen anything like this since I was on an AOL board in the 1980s, it’s just bizarre.
no completely sober im just not going to take any more of youre snobby remarks im so sorry youre parent sent you away to boarding school what did you do to deserve to be sent away. did you have a nanny to that raised you wow no wonder youre a snob. well im not i say what i think and you say what you were trained to say. just stop talking to or about me unless you want my help on learning to relax cause it really will help you with the case and you might even be able to enjoy life.
Another great post, Bea. Seriously.
Bruce,
Everyone calls you by your post name. You should be adult and mature and respectful enough to do the same.
But if you must call people names you really should understand what you’re saying. Miss Marple is not real, Bruce. She wasn’t a mystery writer. She was a CREATION of Agatha Christie. She was a mystery writer.
Dianne,
You seem like a really decent person. I wish you and AnnaZed (who really is decent, too, and I’m sure she doesn’t mean to really insult) and all good people peace on earth.
I KNOW WHEN IM BEING INSULTED AND I NKOW I GET A LITTLE NASTY WITH THE LANGUAGE SO IM SORRY TO EVERYONE WHO HAD TO WITNESS MY BAD BHAVIOR. DIANNE
didnt mean to have the caps on i want shouting i promise
goodbye
my mission here is done you are talkig more about me then dylan so i figure that i rather it be that way then the other way. and by the way annzed i dont reall have anything to do with my family anymore ya thats right so they may read this and be mad but thats ok with me. i truly do hope the case is solved, and justice is served for the deacead family so they can have closure something the wards took from me.
Dianne, how and why did the Wards take “closure” from you? Are they a particularly fractious tribe?
look i shouldnt get into this but if they read this then they will finally know. my mother died and my 2 uncles paid for the expenses of the funeral well i flew out when she passed away but they decided to wait like 2 or 3 months to have the funeral i didnt have the money to fly back out there and since they made all the arrangements i would have thought that i would have been included in the funeral to be honest its like i dont exist so the fact that i know they make plenty of money they could have flown me out to my own mothers funeral. i have been greivig for a very long time i never got two say good bye
Dianne,
That sucks. Honestly, family can sometimes be awful. You were really done wrong, no question. I don’t know if you have been out to where she is buried or not, but I think either through clergy (if you affiliate with a religion) or through personal spiritual effort, in your heart you can have that time with your mother and say goodbye.
What they did was wrong. It never ceases to amaze me how hurtful some human beings can be.
Take care, dear Dianne. Allow yourself to have some peace this holiday season. Your mother will always be yours and I’m sure, in your heart. Take care.
Susan, wherever you may be traveling this season, I hope the driver in the car in front of yours pays your toll. Kind thoughts such as those above resonate and are returned.
Thanks, Cara. That is really nice of you to say. Best wishes for a happy holiday.
no i have not seen here grave i just havnt had the money to fly cross country but i plan on making a trip this summer and i will finally see her grave and finally have some peace. for now i see a therapist it works for me. thanks for the sweet post. have a great christmas
Oh Clio dear, I knew those last 6 words of dianne’s post: “something the wards took from me,” would jolt you out of your deep winter sleep to join us again. I could virtually sense your salivation. Good job. I love the restraint in your 2 itsy bitsy tiny tiny questions to dianne. May God bless us every one, and spread the love of little baby Jesus to all of us’un.
Agree! Tis the season for civility, courage, and justice, but unfortunately all three qualities are needed for peace and closure. Just ask the current Speaker of the United States House of Representatives. Tootles!
ANNAZED,JUST LEAVE ME ALONE AND I WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE. I REALIZE IM ACTING IMATURE AND SO ARE YOU, YOU ARE NOT MY TEACHER OR MY FRIEND SO IF YOU WANT A CHARIDY CASE GO FIND ONE . I AM QUITE CAPABLE OF DOING MY OWN REASEARCH I DONT NEED YOU. ONE MORE THING DONT YOU EVER BRING UP MY KIDS AGAIN. YOU JUST DONT DO THAT IF YOU WERE A MOM YOU WOULD NO THAT RULE. OH DEAR IM WRITING WITH MY CAPS ON WELL I GUESS IM SHOUTING. PLEASE JUST GIVE ME A BREAK. DIANNE
And we had thought Queen Elizabeth I had a handful with her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots! And, what really did Nicholas II of Russia think of his cousin Kaiser Wilhelm: inquring minds still want to know!
I think these posts, if sincere, do highlight the modest origins of all of the trouple members, who, like many of us, are/were a generation at most removed from the plow or factory floor or immigrant ship — it does reflect the dashed hopes and dreams that their parents and relatives may have had. But, what about the permanently-ruined hopes and dreams of the Wones? What can Counsin Dianne, Aunt Marcia, etc. do about those?
Oops: I cannot type today — too much egg nog, I am afraid. Inquiring is mispelled above, and Cousin should not have two letter “n”s. XO, Clio.
i feel horrible for the wones i cant fix what has happened i wish it never happened at all. my prayers go out to them and justice will be seved even if well you can fill in the blanks but i also pray some one els did this horrific crime. no family should have to endure this kind of pain.
i cant do anything i suppose lets be real. but when i say somethig about the wones family its truely coming from my heart but i cant fix what happened.
Seems to me that those of us who really want to know WMRW ought to be more interested in cousin dianne’s opinions of her namesake, aunt Dianne Ward (whose testimony at the criminal trial was so important – perjurious or not), and of auntie’s kids than we are in demeaning dianne’s character, sobriety and the like. (Not meaning to asperse another poster, of course.) In the spirit of the season and because we certainly have no animus with dianne, I would welcome her to continue to talk with us about one whom we would like to come to know more fully, if only for our own perverse purposes.
Dianne, please feel free to continue to express your thoughts and opinions as freely as one of us.
Agree!
so you could have left out getting to know me for only preverse purposes. im not stupid but i really didnt need to read it.
Not just for perverse purposes. We have posted here a while and don’t stop and think sometimes – Boofoc is a fair minded person. My guess is that we all want you here because you have as much stake in this as we do and yet unlike the rest of us have first hand impressions of one of the defendants. Very little about the murder makes sense. My personal guess is that no one expected to murder Robert when he arrived. But drugs and jealousy and sex are not always the best mix.
i agree!
I know that when I was younger and did crazier things that the next morning I wondered how I could’ve done the things I did. Nothing on this grand a scale – someone ending up stabbed to death – but somebody in that house murdered someone. I personally don’t think it was Dylan who did the killing. I do wish that he would say what he knows, for Robert’s family for one, and for justice, but my guess is that he loves (or loved) that person and was convinced that they would all go to jail so he kept his mouth shut out of loyalty and self-preservation. It’s good to hear from you that you don’t think he likely grew up to be the kind of man who could stab someone.
thanks no i dont feel he could do something like that its just not in his nature.
i dont drink just for everone to knoe. i do admit sometimes i say things out of anger that i really dont mean ( annazed ) i am a very pattionate humanbeing and i like myself that way i was raised cathlic were every thing is swept under the rug and hush hush im the total opposite of that, it does however get me in troule but i dont know how to be any other way.
Keep posting. You have impressions and a sense of Dylan that we don’t. Have a good Christmas and keep in touch!!!
my sense of dylan isnt what you guys want to hear. but hear you go he was one of my favorite cousins growing up sweeet and kind oh he had really great manners its so funny i remember when he came out of the closet i mean i new as a little girl he was gay i suppose no one els figured it out but i allways new i just remember loving him and i still do. i hope this nightmare ends soon.
I think all of want to hear your impressions. Many people said Dylan was kind but a little lost in life (tough to follow a doctor father for many sons).
it would be tough and i understand that feeling i cant compete with my cousins i didnt have the life they all had and im sure dylan struggled alot and dealt with it in his own way.
Well, Dianne, at least, you’re not an “identical cousin” to Lyl Dyl, as per the young Patty Duke in that 1960s TV show. Even there, if you recall, one cousin preferred minuets and crepe Suzettes, and the other one loved rock and roll.
Having great manners as a child is always a giveaway! In what ways, though, has Dyl lost those manners as an adult? By his own account, he was a poor co-host on August 2, 2006. And, his behavior toward the WaPo reporter and the editors’ intern was not that of Emily Post. Has time with the less cultured Culuket ruined his sense of decorum forever? One wonders!
How old was Dylan when he came out of the closet? And how did his parents take it?
i cant remember his parents probably took like no shit son but i dont really nkow like i said before my family doesnt talk about anything. let me explain so meybe everyone will know hoe strict my family is on being catholic and when you are a hard core catholic you do tend to not talk about things and sweep thing under the rug. its almost like you dont talk about it it never happen. when i found out about this case i called a family member please dont ask who cause i will not say but anyway the first thing that came out of there mouth was we dont talk about it, it made me crazy im thinking to myself what is wrong eith you peaple why cant we talk about it. i suppose that why im here talking to complete strangers. but i want you all to know if you only want me here because you think im going to give some thing away well thats not going to happen.
“We don’t talk about it” — how convenient! And, the Tacoma media’s bow to Needham’s wishes has helped to keep the deafening silence: thank God for this blog!
What do the Wards talk about in reference to Dyl? His massage services? His erotica collection? His fundraising? His starting of “a family” with two other men? What?
In what ways does being raised Catholic contribute to the sweeping-everything-under-the-rug phenomena? Fascinating!
Clio, why don’t you ask the many boys who are now adults who were molested as children by priests and are still mounting compensation claims about the Catholic contribution to the sweeping-everything-under-the-rug phenomena. I went to Catholic primary school in the days when nuns wore full habits and the best thing about it is that when someone says “surely you’re exaggerating” you can snarl “I was there, were you?” Anyone raised Catholic knows exactly what Dianne is talking about.
Then, did Dyl’s possible contribution to the alleged cover-up stem from his Catholic upbringing? Is Victor’s family Catholic as well? Of so, did that explain the public rallying by the Wards and Zaborskys — our boys could not have done these heinous acts?
Culuket’s people came from Anglo East Texas: I doubt that they were Catholic. They also were far less educated and connected — it was a longer climb for Joe to get to Swann Street than for the others. Were Victor, Dyl, and Sarah consciously aware of that longer climb — the path less well-traveled?
being catholic doesnt have anything to do with this case personally i see why you guys think dylan may have done it but honestly from what i have been educated my self on i dont think he did it. its really not that unusual for pepole to have a large amount of sex toys theres a place in australia called sexpo and thounds of pepole go there and buy freaky stuff its not that crazy.
Did Dyl buy the pieces in his erotica collection, or did Joe buy them for him to please Joe? Remember it’s all about Joe.
god i dont care about what you have to say any more you are rude and disrespectful so keep your attitude and bad mannerrs to yourself.
thanks emily, for explaning old school catholics.1one example i was 13 somethin happened to me i didnt here im sorry or i beleived you untill i was 21 years old my mom just couldnt change the way she was taught it took her 8 years for me to hear those words now do you get it clio
Yes, Dyl must have been poisoned by the same conditioning; why else would he put up with Joe’s oppression?
We understand, dianne, that it’s normal, natural, good and holy that you love your cousin, Dylan, and that you stand up for him, regardless of what he did or didn’t do; and especially whether we -any of us bystanders – approve of you or your opinions and feelings. This must be difficult for you, and, as I said before, I wish you well.
well it is totally normal to feel the way i feel. i dont need any bodys approval im not trying to sound hatefull by any means but approval by you or any one els is not something i seek. merry christmas boofoc.
Recall Dyl’s own claim from one of his current massage advertisements: “I am a gentle, intuitive, intense, caring man who promises to listen and give you an open heart, my complete attention, and exceptional manual skill.” How could such a man ever get involved with Culuket in the first place?
The reason, if you ask me, Clio and Dianne, is because people change. The person you grew up with isn’t always the same in adulthood. Life changes and people change. Some kids I grew up with now are extreme conservatives. Wow. How did that happen? People change. At the point DW joined up with J. Price, he was an adult, by legal definitions and others. People make choices and we all make some bad ones. Some make worse ones than others. It seems with relationships, once you’re in it ain’t always easy to get out.
From what we know from some of the correspondence btw J. Price and D. Ward, DW wanted out but JP was determined to keep him from leaving. Had he only left back in 2006! Now they are tied forever together by this forever sad and tragic, hateful and criminal moment in time, to what degree innocent or guilty is most people’s guess. More cooperation with the police, the public and most of all Robert Wone’s wife could have made a lot of difference.
you are so right susan people do change and i dont know dylan as a grown man like iv’e said before i remember the dylan i grew up with who was my favorite cousin he was kind to me and he never hurt me i just loved him thats all and as family i still do i cant help it. i was looking at some info on this case back in 2008 and one of the blogs was talking about his forehead its just so stupid to me and who wrote that knows who im talking about that kind of stuff has nothing to do with anything i just have a huge problem when so many people say they care about this case and the family but to me they make remarks like you can land a plane on dyls forehead that shows me you really dont care about the case or about the victim all it is is a time to bash some ones looks. its so gross.
No, what’s gross, Dianne, is the “blank check” that Needham apparently gave high-powered lawyers to keep Lyl Dyl out of the pokey. All you need is money, after all.
so aggressive watch out you could be the next person pepole are blogging about!
Instead of commenting on what someone said about Dylan Ward’s looks, dianne, would you please comment on the S&M sex toys that police took from your dear cousin’s bedroom. While his looks have no bearing on this case, those items could be of importance in determining the general activities of your cousin and the other men who shared his bed. Has anyone in your family discussed Dylan Ward’s ads in gay porn websites? Don’t you agree that he looks quite handsome in the photos where he advertises his services?
i have no reason to look thank though.
Did Dyl “promise to listen” and to give Robert “an open heart” on August 2, 2006? The jury is still out on that one!
you dont have to be so nasty toward me.
Clio has a point about that blank check, Dianne. If your uncle could spend thousands upon thousands for his son, why couldn’t he send a few hundred for your airfare?
Clio like others is angry because, after all, Robert Wone is dead. He never got to have the children he and his wife planned on having (adopting), or live out his life’s dreams. Robert Wone is no longer among the living. That is pretty heartbreaking. The three men at the home where he was murdered, the home where the police found zero evidence of a break-in, and where the judge found zero evidence of a break-in in the criminal case, are not speaking. They have moved on with their lives. They are living. Their families still have them to love, like you love your cousin (I have to wonder why he didn’t step in to help when your mother passed).
Robert Wone’s mother and father and brother, his wife and his best friends all have a hole now in their hearts that can never be filled. They can continue living but you know, the people you love, there is no one in the world like them. No one can replace them. And you never stop missing them.
susan i have expressed my grief for the victim and his family on numerous times when express those feeling i mean it. i know what it is like to have a whole in youre heart but i will not put up with clos rudeness towards me.
i wish i never stumbled across this i know my aunt diane is going through hell i can look at both sides and im so sad for the familys the victims and the wards and the others people need to be able to see the emotions that everyones familys are going through i have 2 sons if they were to hurt some one yes as a mother you want to protect youre children but you have to do the right thing you can not just let them get away with murder and if someone hurt my babies and there was no closure and no one was paying a price for the loss of my child i would not handle it very well. but i see everyones pain i cry alot since i stumbled across this.
hay, why dont you write my uncle needham a letter since you have so much to say to him clio.
Dianne, dearest, why mail a letter when one can post to this weblog? Even this ancient goddess appreciates the power and scope of this “new” technology. One does lament the passing of so many postmen and postmistresses, however! Will the Postman ever ring twice again?
you have no right clio to treat me with hatred do you have any real feelings are you capable of being kind i do and will allway think it gross and fucking stupid to make comments like that and you must just be one of those pepole that thins its ok. its disgusting this whole thing.
You have a strange sense of “hatred” and what’s “disgusting” dianne. I’ll tell you what’s disgusting, three men who could provide answers regarding the death of Robert Wone in their home but they do NOTHING to help solve the murder!!!!!! Their silence is what is disgusting but you lack the intelligence to comprehend.
im sorry you feel that way.i dont lack any thing you guys lack compassion just say it you think youre better then me but youre not you guys are so mean and bitter have you even. read anything i’ve typed
No, we are not better than you, Dianne; we can, however, write in complete sentences and paragraphs. You cannot write in anything else but Twitterspeak.
Nevertheless, your darling cousin, a published author, may be able to help you here. In between his outcalls, you may try to give him a call in reference to improving your grammar and spelling. Just a thought.
Clio, I think you’re the best, but you are probably aiming angry at Dianne that you feel for Dyl.
Sadly, people I work with that earn more than I often write in incomplete sentences and twitterspeak. State of the times. One friend of mine can’t spell at all. She is pretty smart though. We all have our stronger suits and weak points. If the message gets across on a blog, that’s what matters.
Oh, before I forget, I remember hearing one of George W. Bush’s Saturday morning radio addresses. He was reading from a script but you would have thought it was a first-grade reader the way he read. His English was wretched.
So, even terrible presidents of the U.S. have their issues (like bankrupting the nation, bringing us into two looong hundred billion dollar wars, etc.). That political message brought to you by me. Now back to regular programming.
“anger” not angry. When you type fast, that happens,.
Susan, dearest, the slight irritation that I feel when reading Dianne’s post-literate “prose” is nothing like the deep anger that I feel at the cold case that WMRW has gradually and haphazardly become. Everyone may write at varying degrees of competency, but there should be a minimum threshold for standard usage if one wants to opine on “the information superhighway.” And, that would go for the Bush family as well. Happy New Year!
why are you so mean to me. you have no idea what im going through im sorry that im not the best speller when i type i just type i dont worry if you can read then you can figure out what im trying to say. but you just have to insult me and my feelings are hurt and i shouldnt give you that power but like i said before i am not made out of steel.ypu must get some type of a high trying to hurt my feelings.
you want to know how i feel about you i think you are a A-I ASSHOLE yep i said it you talk about my grammer my spelling i would rather be me then you any day of the week. dont ask me not one more question you have had your fun in trying to insult me its time for you to stop.
well i feel like i have a point also this is not a beuty contest its a murder trial or was i just feel that making remarks about ones looks has nothing to do with any thing thats it. concentrate on more important things insead of foreheads.
im starting to get really hurt i an tired. look clio you have put me in a dark place a place i dont like to go i cant explain all the stuff dylan did and im not going to. i know someone died and i know his family lost out on all there dream and plans they had made for the future and i want there pain to go away i really mean this but what happened cant be taken back so i hope they can find peace.dianne
You’re placing blame where it doesn’t belong. Clio has not put you in a dark place. Your dear cousin is the one who did that. His silence in not revealing what he knows about the death of Robert Wone has put the Wone family and all their friends in a darker place than you could ever begin to imagine.
ok im done here now youre bashin me and i cant take anymore of it im not made of steel my cousin didnt put me any where this site did you mean spirited people did and hay dylan is not guilty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so unless a judge says otherwise leave him alone
Your dear cousin chooses not to be alone, Dianne, kneading the glutes of needy men in South Florida. He still lives with the Zaborsky-Prices, still talking about Lisa G. — one might guess.
And, one hopes that Lyl Dyl does finally get a man of his own, instead of constantly poaching Victor’s husband. That possibility might be a step in the right direction; only then may he start to divulge what exactly happened that fateful evening.
C’est surtout dommage.
please speak english i didnt take french in school.
In contrast, Dyl can apparently speak both Spanish and French — according to his Masseur Finder website. How convenient for the international business traveler that that may be!
I took French years ago, but I’m with you, Dianne, re speaking English and not kicking someone when they’re down. Any insults towards you or that you feel are towards you you can ignore (sometimes I do that). The other statements (forehead comment asside) re D. Ward, are more warranted.
Try to read what you can about this crime, Dianne. The way these guys stick to each other like glue and zipped their lips is pretty striking. Sticks and stones, as they say, but it wasn’t name-calling that killed Robert Wone. And those three men-Victor Zaborsky, Joseph Price and Dylan Ward are still alive.
I also wonder if some of your relatives weren’t a bit snobby towards you. It sounds like they may have had some privileges you didn’t. I still wonder, too, why your cousin (any of them, even) didn’t help out when you needed to travel.
Hope you had a good holiday yesterday.
i understand what you are saying , thanks for youre sweet nature. i also hope you had a woderful christmas.
i know im not as smart as all of you i know the street and how to raise a family. the ward were born with silver spoons i wasnt. they go to school cause its easier then getting a job lets face it needham probably pays more then most. this is getting very diffucult for me i do appoligize clio even though you have made me cry for 2 days i never meant to say hurtful things towards you im very sorry. i wish i had a filter sometimes but i dont.
bill2 i feel like i should also apolgize to you. let me xeplain one thing i have been very emotinal excuse my spellig. i have been crying and angry and sad my behavior yesterday was uncalled for but i felt like i was being attacked. my mouth get out of controll i just hope you can find it in youre self to except my apoligy. i do have some hatred and its not do to any of this its personal things that i have been working on in therapy. so i am very sorry. dianne
i read some things that i missed from you clio, i dont know if i will be able to ever be able to just get over it and i dont think you care if i do anyway i have this feeling that you are a mean spirited person so just forget my apology. you have said way to many cruel things so i cant just get over it,personally i think you are mean and a bully and i dont know how you think by being cruel to me is helping anything. maybe i dont have typing etiquett but i do have whats called a heart and you might want to find yours.
Dianne, dearest, I must confess that I might actually understand why the Wards have distanced themselves from you: who would ever guessed that Clio and Needham would have something else in common, besides their stated love of history!
Having said that, one must see her therapist right away if a weblog’s comments section is making her cry. There may be other issues at hand — good luck with that.
To me, doll, a mean-spirited person is one who enables injustice through willful ignorance. But that’s just me.
FUCK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dianne, I think it’s time that you occupied yourself with your family or took up a new hobby. This is not productive.
Clio, you know many of us have been offended by rude posts before (remember Bruce, Bill, etc.). Dianne said she’s just learned about the case. She doesn’t know all the facts. There have been gratuitously rude comments. I don’t see why. She didn’t commit a crime. She has admitted she’s been down. Why hurt someone when they’re down. You could just ignore her if you don’t like her posts.
I won’t say another word about because I don’t want to get in the middle and I’m one of your huge fans, but this seems out of character for you.
Any further post from me will focus specifically on the case. I hope we can all agree to that and dispense with any personal insults.
Agreed, dear; accuracy and clarity can be jarring to the less informed. As a muse of non-fiction, one cannot ignore especially garbled syntax or logic, but, for you, Susan dearest, I’ll do anything.
But why am I feeling intense sympathy for Needham and his wife Di all of a sudden? Faith, family, and friends — how did they all lead the parents of Lyl Dyl to this strange place? Go figure!
Thanks, Clio. You are wonderful.
Here’s a video of the pater Ward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZuMPZXQ_SA
He seems like a regular Joe (not as in Price), but people are complex. Here he is prob. speaking to a colleague for the recording.
DW is a grown up now but then again not entirely so since he still has been periodically bankrolled by his father and JP. Sometimes, too, the combo of people and relationships can be combustible.
Maybe the massage biz is paying off now.
susan my uncle needham didnt hurt anyone and he is a regular jo as you might say as i said before as a parent you do want to protect youre children but you have to do the right thing in the long run.my uncle need and aunt di are wonderful pepole my little beef with them doesnt change that i really didnt appreciate clios remarks about my family distacing themself from me why would you say that to me clio i know why its cause you are a well you used dalin and doll so either youre gay or a cowboy c-mon clio are you a cowboy or are you gay doll?
Dianne, that’s not nice. Two wrongs…. Not nice at all. Pls. don’t name call or gay bash or insinuate. You don’t like when others do that to you (nor would I!). Your cousin who you say you love is gay! He also did not fund your trip back home.
People are have many sides. If you ask two people about Uncle Need you’d get two diff. opinions, I’m sure. What made him pat JP on the butt though, at the trial, with an “attaboy” comment. And where was he for you when you needed him? I hope when the time comes you find out about that. Did he spoil his kids growing up? What made your childhoods so different?
Dianne,
When’s the last time you saw Dylan and how did you finally hear about this and the blog?
the last time t saw dylan was ay his brothers wedding it was awy before this all happened and he was just as i remembered him to be.im just tired if clioo gettin away eih bashing me i just want to know why he cthinks its ok to bring me and my family problem th the surrface i opened my self to you all but not to hear no wonder the ward keep there distsce from me to me that was the most painful thing you could have said and how dare you step your two in wher they dont belong.
i was looking for the wards address to let them know how hurt i was about not saying good buy my mothrr sufferd a long battleled a long process with lung cancer and then it went to her bones my oldest boy was very close to to my mom so i sent him down to oregon for the summer i called everday and know one would let me talk to her mainly due to my emotiouns any way i wanted to just get somthings off of my chest so i could maybe forgive but thats how i stumbled across thi horrible thing my heart says one thing cause i have educated myself but my other heart says another do you understand.
Take care, Diane. There is no reason for you to have been attacked for spelling, education or personal reasons.
it wasnt dylans responsibility to fly me out he did not make the funeral arrangements it was my unle need and my uncle mike. you say dont gay bash i wasnt i was just trying to figure him out well i did hes a girl. a girl i dont like hes the one who needs to stop being rude i just play his game. a game i dont enjoy playing but she seems to get a kick out of it dont you clio.
I AM STOPPING ANNAZED BUT NOT BECAUSE OF CLIO OR ANY ONE ELS THIS BLOG IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE ANY CRIME. YOU ALL KNOW THAT RIGHT. SO GOOD BYE!
Nobody said this blog would solve any crime, dianne. When the murder trial begins, you can be certain that items previously overlooked by investigators will get attention as a result of things that have been discovered and brought out in this blog.
I hope you’re aware that the judge, in the first trial, did not think that all three occupants of that house are not guilty.
Since you claimed, several nights ago, dianne, that your cousin is not guilty, which of the other two do you see as being guilty? Why do you think your cousin continues to live with the other two men?
look i dont care one way or another whos living with who whos guilty whos not guilty all this is is a bashing blog and i do not have any respect for it. i will most defintly take youre advise anna and run i dont need a hobby i just need to run from all you snobby uptight mostly men im talking about i think anyway who knows anymore.but c-yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I can’t believe what I’ve witnessed. Clio has behaved as if s/he is in the Colosseum and dianne is the Christian du jour. Clio has attacked dianne as if she is somehow responsible for the behaviour of her cousin or responsible for cracking the case and Clio has been so declasse as to attack dianne for her spelling and grammar when it is clear that she is not educated in that area. This is like mocking a baby because they cry after you kick the ice-cream out of their hand. And other wolves have joined the pack.
Nothing dianne has said has come across to me as anything less than sincere and confused. She deserves more respect than she has been shown here. What has she said that has warranted continued bitchy, mean-girl personal attacks on her?
I’m truly disgusted by this turn of events. Clio, you do no credit to this site. You do no credit to the memory of Robert Wone and the spirit of Kathy Wone. The point of this site is supposed to be informed inquiry not gratuitous attacks on the vulnerable. There is so much that people could have learned from dianne if people were prepared to engage in sincere and sympathetic communication but Clio poked at her like an animal in a cage suggesting that Clio is a nasty, nasty, nasty little person. Much like the people s/he seeks to condemn. Clio, you should feel truly ashamed of yourself for your treatment of dianne.
Speaking as a lurker from Australia with no personal investment in the case whatsoever.
Buh-bye, Emily!
Emily,
Clio has been more than valuable to this site. She has amazing insight and respect for the memory of Robert Wone, evidenced in dozens of posts.
I didn’t like the back and forth with Clio and Dianne or Dianne and AnnaZed. But it had already stopped when you posted. You are right, some of those posts were like attacks on a person’s vulnerability. I thought they were wrong too. In the same way I think your post is wrong with so much venom in it.
Seriously. Tis the season, religious or not, to take time and maybe show some heart to each other. Let’s do it. Tomorrow’s a new day. This is a new moment right now. I think you are all really good people with something to contribute.
Monday’s Post had an article in the Metro section that was titled “60 years of seeking justice” about Evangeline Moore’s parents who were likely murdered by the Klan in Florida (maybe the trouple can investigate?). The case has been opened and closed for years. But it still makes news.
Whoever murdered Robert Wone may hope for such a long mystery. But. as in the OJ case, there are a limited number of suspects. And it’s nice to type in their names so Google searches will pick them up and keep them in the news: Joseph Price, Dylan Ward, Victor Zaborsky, Michael Price, anonymous trick who visited the home that night–possibly: May you have a restless New Year. Because we are still watching, listening, looking and would like to know your role that night and Who (specifically) Murdered Robert Wone.
Wait, are you saying that people need to be nicer to Dianne because she comes to website about a murder that her cousin is involved with? She’s trying to get sympathy from us because, boo-hoo her cousin is at best an asshole and at worst a murderer? I think it would be better for her and her precious cousin if she sought sympathy and help from a blog not devoted to finding who murdered Robert Wone when it is very likely that the murderer is her cousin!
It takes monstrous amounts of arrogance to come here and play the victim.
alice, boohoo to yo i am noy asking for sympathy as i allready stated ok. so lets move on you beleive whatever you want to beleive and i will make my own mind up we all have the right to our own opinions. so lay off
Emily:
I am personally embarassed at this whole episode of some (but not all) of the comments to dianne, as you can certainly see from my previous posts. I am also personally embarassed at some responses to your post.
You demonstrated that you are an empathetic person with a conscience, willing to point out unfairness when you see it, and calling it as it truly is. Thank you for being so bold.
I hope the new year can bring that kind of empathy and conscience you expressed to more, both on this blog and in the world, particularly to our politicians here in the US. Happy New Year down under, and Happy New Year to all on this blog.
I am deeply distressed at your embarrassment, Bruce. Your kindness toward everyone who posts here is incomparable and your ability to heap praise upon all who participate is known far beyond WMRW.
I sincerely hope your embarrassment won’t cause you to stray from delivering the kind, loving and sincere responses we have all come to expect of you. Your name on a thread signals that our hearts will be overflowing with joy at the insight that only you can provide to this mystery. We consider every clue you have provided to be of vital importance. When this case is solved, no doubt it will be your diligence that has provided the final result.
There is no doubt that the personal embarrassment you are suffering today is felt by all who look up to you.
Bill 2, you are too kind.
Emily, I don’t quite understand your point.
Is this some sort of special pleading?
Are you saying that on this site (or any site really) that posters should tip-toe around the immature, uneducated, hysterical and finally homophobic out deference to their feelings? Or are you saying this in the hopes that a calmer more flattered Dianne, lulled into a world where minimal standards of discourse are waived to accommodate her bizarre tantrums, will spill something amidst her ramblings about herself that sheds some sort of light on the murder of Robert Wone?
Is this sort of one of those good cop/bad cop things?
Sorry ‘out OF deference’ that is.
as for you anna ved you just need to back up eith youre french snobby im better then the worl attitude.
And, this theatrical playing of “the victim” is so typical of posters aligned with or used by Team Price; these poses always end up in a misogynistic, homophobic rage. Been there, done that. Apparently, Dianne is the “victim” of only bad schooling and perhaps the unintended association with unsavory relatives. One hopes that her therapist and perhaps an online instructor can help her; we cannot. Did we lose any valuable info in responding to the rather rambling posts of Dyl’s (apparently)less privileged cousin, if indeed those posts were from her? No. We learned about class tensions and anxieties within the Ward clan, maybe, despite the bad manners and worse logic. That’s it. Merry Xmas!
We’ve had plenty of dust-ups on this site — Lance v. the world, AnnaZed v. Themis, and, for example, I do seem to remember “a most unladylike melee” involving Susan and Bruce, one of our legal lion(esses). One might also remember that I, among others, have been characterized as a member of “the Thought Police” operating from “the ladies’ room at Ziegfield’s.” Now, to Emily, I am a “Heather” bent on attacking defenseless babes alongside my trusty pack of wolves, or worse, I am a gladiator of late antiquity attacking a Christian martyr (like Dianne?) in the arena. At any rate, this over-the-top hyperbole, once confined to B-movies and pulp fiction, has become part of the territory of public discourse in the digital era (think of Newt’s reference to December 1941 and the Virginia ballot), and, if you cannot stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
clio so you are a girl, well i wish you would just get over youre self i might not be as educated as you but you are a complete c.u.n.t as in see you next tuesday. i hate when i have to be so nasty but you bring out the worst in me. just leave me alone ok
I have been trying to find Dianne. I was a friend of her mothers. I just happened upon this website due to seaching for her and tried to find Needhams address. I have known the family since I was 3 years old. I hope she reads this and gets back to me.
nancy, hi i would love to hear from you but i cant leave any info on myself its pretty obviouse that these peaple hate me due to yhe fact that im not the worlds best typer..
soyyy nancy i see that i have mispelled some words probably some punctation and who nkows what els ive done wrong i just want off this site but its so hard for me not to read the hateful things these peaple say but at least they have someone new to pick on instead of dylan. nancy im listed just look me up dianne garrett
Dianne and Nancy,
The editors of the site are quite trustworthy and would likely help you facilitate an exchange of e-mail addresses between the two of you, provided you both agreed to it. You could then verify that each of you is who you say you are, and work from there.
Dianne, I would not recommend leaving personal information (like your last name, even if it’s easily available online) in the comments, and would strongly recommend to you that you ask the editors to delete the above post.
bill how should i go abou doing so . maybe like this dear editors please remove my last name
Dianne and Nancy,
There’s a tab at the top of the page called “Contact Editors.” Contact them and they’ll help put you in touch.
thanks susan, i contacted the editors hopefully that will work.
While I may be wrong, dianne, I get the feeling that your stupidity is totally an act.
I am starting to wonder the same thing myself.
Why on earth after being told how easily she could contact her friend through back channels and cautioned not to post her name and email address would she proceed to do so? It’s bizarre.
Along with the sudden appearance of Cousin Dianne, we now have dear old family friend Nancy who suddenly discovers this blog and has been searching for Dianne. Now that they’re making contact, perhaps they should take a trip to Miami for a wonderful reunion.
look i must have misread what bill o said i thought i could leave my e-mail just not my last name. please stop calling me stupid you have know i dea what you are doing to me annazed,clio,and the rest of you.please stop
How many more times will you bid us farewell? It’s great that you made sure that nobody knows that your last name is Garrett. Why not try to discover another relative or old family friend to join you in this blog.
annazed, are you perfect? im just wondering i misread the how to when it came douwn to the editors. god just get over it allready i messed up, people are allowed to make mistakes it wasnt a big deal why do you care so much anyway. just one more thing to bitch about and to have a reason to call me stupid. well instead of that concentrate on something more important then me for once you are so rude and crude and youre behavior is just annoying to me.
I’m surprised it took you smart people so long to figure it out. I’m not joking or being mean. I read two posts and felt the person was not authentic.
I’m just waiting for another relative to come in and say she committed suicide because anna attacked her. This awful board be damned!!!
Hi again, Bea:
Thank you for your post. You put a lot of interesting items in it, and spent some time doing it. I appreciate your civility and what I can only describe as the “spirit” of the post, if that makes any sense. I have read it several times.
But (and as Pee Wee Herman used to say: “Everyone has a big BUT”) I don’t understand how the matters you address relate to the topic of my posts last night.
My posts were not directed to trying to stop or criticizing any “harshness” against the Swann 3, as you seem to describe as being the essence of my posts last night. My posts last night were not suggesting that anyone here should be nice to the Swann 3, or that they are not deserving of expressions of anger and frustration.
Neither were my posts last night directed to innocence of the Swann 3, motive for the murders, weighing evidence as to fault, or anything to do with what is in “favor of the defendants,” or whether discussions on this blog will help solve the murder, or ninjas of any kind or whether the defendants “said the truth,” or posts being “bawdy” or why I am on the blog, or “civility” or “different vantage points,” all of which you reference (and much more) in your post. All interesting topics, for sure, and I always seem to learn more things by reading your posts. Would be glad to discuss those in a separate exchange.
Rather, as is stated very clearly in my posts, my concern in the posts last night deals with a very narrow issue: certain posts, by different posters, relating specifically to the sexuality of the Swann 3 now.
That’s it. Nothing more.
I gave examples of 4 previous posts last night (without giving any anonymous posters’ names, mind you) that I could find in about 10 to 15 minutes of looking back, that demonstrate my concern, but there are many more. Those types of posts, without intention by the posters, can be misinterpreted or misunderstood, especially by those coming new to the blog, as demeaning gay sexuality or gay persons in general. The sexuality of the poster is of no consequence. This is not a gay blog or a straight blog, or have I missed something?
You don’t seem to address my concerns raised in my posts last night at all. Well, maybe you do in your way when you discuss certain “bawdy” remarks on here, or “if lines of propriety are danced around on occasion,” but I love bawdyness (if there is such a word) and I don’t know quite what you mean by crossing the “lines of propriety.” Sorry.
And maybe you were directly referencing my posts when you said:
“I think it’s highly unlikely that anyone without some background in the case is reading our posts out of context. Or reading them at all.”
A poster indicated that the poster “didn’t really care” about what the media or newbies might think on reading the posts in this blog. I personally do care. Is that wrong? Is it wrong to express it?
And I do not agree at all with your “spin” on my personal discussion with another poster that you reference BY NAME in your post. You do not seem to see any sincerity within me at all.
You may be right about who reads posts oh here, but this is a public blog. Do we have any data on hits, etc., that would substantiate that no one outside the regulars are reading the posts? I wouldn’t assume they are not. Is there any way to determine the number of hits we get a day?
So, if you would like to directly deal with my posts last night, why don’t we discuss the 4 examples that I gave, and I can provide more if you would like (without poster’s anonymous names, for goodness sake!) That might give our discussion some clarity and focus. Up to you. I would invite anyone to do so.
Again, thanks for responding, and I will be glad to discuss the many interesting issues that you do raise in your post, if you like, in a separate exchange.
Bruce,
Bea did address everything in her post. She referenced the second to the last para. etc. It’s my guess, that the defense will lose this case on the Who Murdered Robert Wone blog. Actually, upon reflection there isn’t much of a case after all.
Re the media and newbies and your lingering concern read my response again. Media has been favorable. Homophobes not welcome here, etc. Red herrings and attempts at diversions also not super welcome.
By the way, Bruce, I like the PeeWee Herman reference.
I just went back and read some of your earlier posts. Like where you wrote to Dianne saying you have been trying to get people to be civil on the blog for some time (Bea has pointed this out to. It is pretty funny, you have to admit) and where you write that you just don’t like the sexual references, period, before you menntion caring about the media, etc.
Posters will post about what they think is relevant. You don’t have to agree. And no one need defend a post to anyone. Let the editors of this blog worry about their image. I’m sure they appreciate your concern though…..
Thanks, Susan – I don’t want to respond to Bruce directly since he cut a wide swath to avoid my point (and my questions to him) AND had to do his usual quotation trick to misdirect the reader’s attention. It’s just so frustrating to try to reach out to the well-behaved Hall Monitor only to get the same tired “but you strayed off topic so I’ll ignore what you did say” routine and stopping any dialog cold. While I am curious why he won’t answer the basic question as to why he continues to read and post here, it’s not worth the effort. I assume it is akin to his unwillingness to say what he thought may have happened that night while he’s mauling others for not being able to say EXACTLY what happened. Overbearing mother, distant father? Seems to be the answer for most things (joke).
Bea:
As I said in my posts clearly, I will be glad to discuss any of the many multiple diverse interesting issues you raise in your post (to avoid dealing with the topic at hand, as you do so well), in a separate exhange. I will be glad to do it. I promise to do it.
You are quite wonderful as shown here, Bea, and in previous posts, with avoiding the topic by raising 20 different things in your response and demanding answers to them before you deal with the issue at hand. It’s fun, I know, but….
…..It’s simply an old lawyer’s trick, as you know well.
Your post here and as before, by raising so many other issues, is simply trying to divert, diffuse and not respond to the topic. As you know well.
It is an old lawyer’s trick. As you know well. I’m sure it has been successful for you. But all can see it here.
Please be straight forward and honest and deal with the topic at issue and the 4 examples I gave. Then I will discuss anything you choose.
Once more with feeling; we are being tricked by old lawyers!
We are being tricked by old lawyers with the emphasis being on “old”? I thought Spag was relatively young, but that’s just me.
**sound of Bruce taking ball and going home**
Heh! This reminds me of Lucy van Pelt promising that she’ll play fair and will hold the football for Charlie Brown to kick. We all know how that ends up. Splat! Oooof! Aaaaaaaaaargh! The bitch tricked him again. Charlie never learned that she can’t be trusted to play by the rules of the game. Lucy could only play by Lucy’s rules and she wanted everyone else to do the same.
I admire you, Bea, because you are always fair-minded and willing to extend yourself to any poster who fairly engages you or anyone on this site.It is too bad that the poster in question didn’t move the discussion forward and stuck with game-playing instead.
I’ll move it forward: Is there any way to find out if J. Price passed the Florida bar? Boofoc, if you are out there, do you know?
Re Sarah M. I Googled her a while back. There are a few with her name in DC but she was in financial services wasn’t she? Was she ever called upon in preparation for the civil trial? If there was discovery/questioning of her what happens to that info. since the civil case was settled? Thanks.
He’s not listed on attorneys licensed to practice in Florida, and I searched until I found an attorney licensed to practice by taking the most recent exam (that he allegedly was signed up to take). That would seem to mean that either he wasn’t allowed to sit (moral turpitude), he decided not to take it, or he failed. Works for me.
Thanks for the update, Bea. It’s great that we have people here who know how to look in all the right places for info.
Yes, thanks, Bea. Would that mean he could’t practice at all (re those three potential scenarios) or just not represent someone directly? For instance, could he do the prep work, or document reading, etc.?
Also, is he still licensed in DC? If so, I wonder if he could do long-distance work or if he might come up to DC to practice occasionally. Then again, perhaps he’s looked into teaching (am I giving him ideas?) or maybe he’s opening a branch of Eye Candy Miami.
Speaking of EC Miami, I wonder if in the vid. collection taken by police there were any homemade videos. I can’t believe that they wouldn’t home make them.
Joe is still licensed to practice in DC. By NOT being licensed in Florida, that means only that he cannot represent a client in Florida (meaning he can’t file suit or even write letters advocating for a client in Florida). He could use his DC membership (or VA) to be able to do a lot of work but he can’t hang out a shingle in Florida unless he gets his license there. I want to caution people to not post information here – even though it’s public – so that no one can get in any trouble (though that would be a stretch) BUT if one does a web search on his DC membership phone number (as listed in the public database) then you can see that his area of practice has changed and that he’s (arguably) got a practice going in DC that has nothing to do with intellectual property litigation that he used to do. His name is on the site but he’s not using it in “tags” that would allow anyone to search his name to find it (or so it would seem).
Again, while this is public information, I’d prefer it that no one post it here (I’m sure the Editors would agree) since he’s taken SOME measures to keep it under wraps. But search for yourselves if you’re curious what he’s doing these days (or trying to do)! Let’s just not cause anyone to try to put the screws to this site (again, it would be a stretch, given how easily one can find the info, and his name is on the site) – people who WANT to know can clearly go to that small amount of trouble.
Thanks, Bea. Very interesting. And thanks for the caveat.
Wow. Found it, Bea. Very interesting.