Dylan Ward


Dylan Ward was born May 24, 1970 to Needham Ward, MD and Diane Ward. He is the oldest of five children. His parents and siblings live in Tacoma, Washington. Ward’s father is a well-known cardiologist.

In 1992, Ward graduated summa cum laude from Georgetown University with a BS in Foreign Service. In 1995, he graduated from the Culinary Institute of America in Hyde Park, New York, with an Associate of Culinary Arts degree. In 2003, Ward earned a Masters in Children’s Literature from Simmons College in Boston, Massachusetts. Ward has also co-founded a small educational publishing business, “The House of the Tiger Aunt” based in Taiwan. He has written and edited numerous children’s books, several of which have received awards.

After graduation from Simmons College, Ward relocated to Washington, DC, renting a basement apartment in the Capitol Hill home of Joseph Price and Victor Zaborsky. When Price and Zaborsky sold that property, Ward relocated with them to their new home at 1509 Swann St NW, this time renting a room in the house.

Ward began work for Equality Virginia (EV), a gay rights advocacy organization (where Price was a Director), after moving to Washington, DC. As EV’s Development Director, Ward broke all organization records for fund raising. Ward left EV and joined a direct mail funding raising company providing development support to non-profit organizations. He continues to do contract work for the fund raising company, writing fund raising letters for clients.

In 2006, Ward graduated from the Potomac Institute for Massage Therapy and obtained his license to practice as a massage therapist in the District of Columbia. In 2007, Ward traveled to Thailand, completed a six-week training course in Thai Massage, and obtained his certification to practice Thai Massage in the United States. After completion of the course, Ward returned to the United States and continued practicing in Washington, DC.

Ward moved to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, in October 2007. He continued performing contract work for the direct mail fund raising company while living there. In June 2008, after Joseph Price and Victor Zaborsky purchased a home in Miami Shores, Florida, Ward moved into that home and managed the property for Price and Zaborsky. Ward returned to Washington, DC, after his indictment in the Wone case, and resumed living with Price and Zaborsky in an apartment they rented following the sale of the 1509 Swann Street NW property in June 2008.

According to court documents, Dylan Ward was involved in a three-way intimate relationship with Price and Zaborsky. Price and Zaborsky shared the master bedroom, were in a committed, intimate relationship, and were registered domestic partners. Ward occupied a second bedroom in the Swann Street house, and was involved in a personal, intimate relationship with Price. The nature of the relationship with Price included a dominant-submissive sexual relationship, with Ward playing the dominant role and Price the submissive role. Zaborsky has stated that he, Price, and Ward were all in a relationship as a “family”, but that Ward did not share and equal part of that relationship, however, they were attempting to make it that way.

374 comments for “Dylan Ward

  1. dianne
    12/29/2011 at 1:20 PM

    before i take my husbands gun to my head i am going to leave ,you all have done enough of making me feel like a stupid worthless human being. i cant take it any more my tears are a waste on you peaple you must get kick of bringing someone to such a horrible level to make them feel so worthless.i know im a good person and i also know that you peaple excusing a couple are horrible just plain mean people.

  2. dianne
    12/29/2011 at 1:40 PM

    go to hell

  3. AnnaZed
    12/29/2011 at 1:56 PM

    C’est extrêmement pénible, n’est-ce pas?

    • susan
      12/29/2011 at 2:25 PM


      Everyone is impressed that you know French, but why antogonize someone? To what end does that serve? Real or not, fictitious or not, Dianne seems troubled.

      • AnnaZed
        12/29/2011 at 2:34 PM

        When a poster reduces the conversation to ‘go to hell’, ‘fuck you’ and ‘c.u.n.t.’ (somehow suddenly improving her typing skills to include the periods to bypass possible crudeness and obscenity filters … hummm) I would say that Clio’s and my own responses show considerable restraint. If Dianne is too mentally unstable to converse in a civilized (or even coherent) manner she should be banned. If she is not banned; then nothing that has been said to her seems disproportionate to me, n’est-ce pas?

        • susan
          12/29/2011 at 2:46 PM

          Thanks, AnnaZ. But why antagonize? D’s responses there were totally inappropriate, totally agree. But they came in response to egging on/insults. I hope Dianne will stay away from this site if it upsets her. I hope we all get back on track to focus on Who Murdered Robert Wone.

          • AnnaZed
            12/29/2011 at 2:52 PM

            I don’t acknowledge special pleadings in a public forum dedicated to investigative conversation amongst adults. This person, who may or may not be who she represents herself as being (many aspects of this performance strain credulity) arrived here with guns blazing, refused to even consider doing any actual reading on the subject of the blog then rapidly devolved into school-yard name-calling and histrionics. I have a very low threshold for these types of antics.

        • Clio
          12/29/2011 at 2:50 PM

          I can remember a time when a Mrs. Garrett helped young women such as Tootie and Blair to become model citizens; that time apparently has passed. Alas, the facts of life, just like the facts of this case, have become obscured with every “victim” coming out of the woodwork — it’s not unintentional.

  4. AnnaZed
    12/29/2011 at 5:21 PM

    Je ne pensent que cette personne est qui elle dit qu’elle est.

  5. dianne
    12/29/2011 at 5:37 PM

    so clio, im back i am not a victim i just have feelings i dont like being called stupid or any thing els for that matter.and as for you annazed you must think youre ptetty special typing in french probably some low blow towards me but i of course wouldnt know since i dont know french. stop talking about me and i will gladly stay away from this obsurd site. how do you know what i’ve read up on or havnt read up on are you at my house watching me no so dont just asume things.as long as you are talking about me you will get a comment so just stop insulting me and i will gladly be gone i think you guys get a kick out of making fun of me and calling me stupid and just plain out insulting me.it makes you both feel better about youre self.

  6. Bill Orange
    12/29/2011 at 7:54 PM

    Okay, I’ve e-mailed one of the eds and asked that Dianne’s last name and e-mail address posted above be deleted.

    Frankly, I have no idea what to make of the last few rounds of postings, but they appear to be veering more and more “off topic”. I think that Dianne’s postings can give us valuable insight into what Dylan was like growing up, and how (and when) his family dealt with his homosexuality, as well as how they deal with crises in general.

    I understand her disbelief that her cousin could’ve been involved in the murder of Robert Wone, but I think the best summary document is the judge’s written ruling from the criminal trial, which I would encourage her (and anyone else who posts here) to read, even though I disagree with its nonsensical conclusion.

  7. dianne
    12/30/2011 at 8:54 AM

    look i was never trying to discover anyone just like i never tried to discover this hate blog and i wish i never did. the fact thet someone found me on here was just as bizare to me as to all of you. i dont try to act stupid honestly my typing sucks as my punctuation. i dont know anyone who would try to act stupid. other then that im a prtty smart girl and i do not hate gays at all lets make that clear dylan is not the only gay in my family or in my life. thankyou for taking care of the name and email situation for me bill o. dianne

    • Bill 2
      12/30/2011 at 10:56 AM

      Calling this a “hate blog” is not going to win you very much sympathy.

      If your child were stabbed to death in a house occupied by three men, exactly how much love would you be feeling toward those three men if they refused to help solve the murder?

      Are you aware, that when the three men were put on trial, the judge said that not all three men were innocent of the charges? That’s a fact you obviously don’t want to face.

      • dianne
        12/31/2011 at 12:48 PM

        im not asking for your sympathy or any one elses for that matter i know its not in youre heart to give sympathy so why would i ask for the impossible.

      • Bruce
        01/04/2012 at 3:51 PM

        Hmmmm, Bill 2. I had no idea you were Robert Wone’s father. Why didn’t you bring this out earlier?

        • Clio
          01/05/2012 at 7:45 AM


          • Bruce
            01/05/2012 at 11:35 AM

            Hey Ms Kitty:

            Sorry, but ridiculous inflated statements call for ridiculous feline responses.

            Bill 2 called me out on mine with my bloated post to Emily, and I am calling on his preposterous and pretentious attempt to call up the “spirits” of Robert Wone’s parents, and his irreverent and cheap attempt to speak for them to bolster his arguments (I know they are alive, but you get what I mean). What goes around do comes around, si?

            I still now haz cheezburger????

            • Bruce
              01/05/2012 at 12:06 PM

              Oh Lord.

              Dearest Clio, please don’t you or anyone get all mental on me calling you “Ms Kitty,” in the post above.

              I meant it in only the nicest way, as a response to “Meow,” and not as a jab against women or the Holy Roman Empire. As you can see, I have forgiven you for being such a mean girl to dear dianne, simply based on your fabulousness alone.

              Specifically, my use of the name “Ms Kitty” was NOT in reference to, or disparaging of, the following:

              -older women
              -younger women
              -women who were on Gunsmoke
              -women sensitive to being referenced in the same sentence with someone who could be referenced as a “spinster”
              -women who worship Patti Smith
              -men who were once biologically women
              -women who were once biologically men
              -older and younger men
              -men who may want to dress like Ms Kitty from Gunsmoke
              -gay people, young, middle aged or old
              -heterosexual people, young, middle aged or old
              -sexually confused people and bi sexuals, young, old or in-between
              -any LOL cats
              -any cats who may be sensitive to anyone who uses the phrase “Ms Kitty
              -all animals of any kind, species and sexual inclination
              -all plants of any kind, genus, species and sexual inclination
              -the universe, whatever its sex or sexual inclination
              -anyone religious in any manner and in any country.

            • Bill 2
              01/05/2012 at 1:46 PM

              My reply was in regard to someone who claims to be a mother yet claims to love her cousin – thus the reason to mention a child of the person being addressed. There was no intent to call upon “the spirits of Robert Wone’s parents” but it’s no surprise that you would come up with such a twisted interpretation. I made no attempt to speak for Robert Wone’s parents and when you stated “I had no idea you were Robert Wone’s father,” I assumed you were probably drunk. Your posts today give the impression that you’re still not sober or that you need to get your meds adjusted.

              • Bruce
                01/05/2012 at 2:22 PM

                Bill 2, were you born without any sense of humor of any kind? All of your posts are so strident and blah blah blah, so unkind and with absolutely no sense of warmth or a sense of the absurd.

                I think you indicated that you worked for newspapers or the media. Was it the orbits?

                Must be a cold cold cold world you live in. Maybe go to the mall for a walk? I’m sure there is plenty there to keep you all fussy about. Lighten up.

                • AnnaZed
                  01/05/2012 at 2:35 PM

                  Bruce, as you accuse Bill 2 of continuously circling the dark star that was once a planet (Pluto); you yourself can not break from the orbit of the warrior’s red planet (Mars) for some reason, keeping the fight alive into the millennia ~ but why?

                • Boggled
                  01/05/2012 at 7:46 PM

                  Gotta love an A.H. who claims those who don’t find his bitchy comments funny has no sens of humor…

                  • Bruce
                    01/06/2012 at 11:01 AM

                    Don’t have to find me funny. I was looking over Bill 2’s last 20 or so posts, as well as my recollections of his previous posts. They are all essentially the same: dark, dark and dark. Even his recent clever sarcastic post to me lacks any sense of light or balance. Sad.

                    • susan
                      01/07/2012 at 12:32 AM

                      The thing is, much as there is some nice humor, which most appreciate, and bad humor from time to time, this is a blog about a murderwhere the murderer/s remain at large. It’s not a comedy blog and murder is, you know, no laughiing matter.

                      Note to Boggled: I got what you mean.

                  • AnnaZed
                    01/06/2012 at 11:37 AM

                    What on earth is an ‘A.H.’?

                    • David
                      01/06/2012 at 12:41 PM

                      I believe this is a part of the body that is located between the buttocks.

                    • AnnaZed
                      01/06/2012 at 12:44 PM

                      David, oh ha, I don’t think I have ever seen that acronym deployed in adult conversation before. Either you just say it or you don’t use it.

  8. dianne
    12/30/2011 at 1:22 PM

    i just cant win with you guys any thing i have to say you find a way to put me douwn, thats what i mean when i call it a hate blog cause you all just have so much hatred towards me if its not my typing its somethin els. and what are you tring to say when you say if she is who she claims to be? i am dylans first cousin and diane and needham ward are my aunt and uncle they have 5 children and they are also my cousins i would never make that up. im just tired of the hatrd from you guys

  9. dianne
    12/30/2011 at 6:00 PM

    bill 2, i guess you will hear from me untill you guys stop bashing me i will defend my self to the end so if you want me off fine just stop talking about me just read what i have to say open youre heats just for a second and think what you guys are doing to another human being in my eyes you all are just as bad as a murder this is the stuff that teenagers go through on a regular basis and alot of them commit suicde from being bullied thats exactly what you guys are doing th me. i hope you all feel real proud of yore selves i think its a shame. susan is the only one that makes any sence to me but you guys dont even listen to her you just keep on hurting another person that you dont even know.

  10. dianne
    12/30/2011 at 6:31 PM

    bill 2, when will you stop being so hatefule and you wonder why i call it a hate blog i have had no contact with nansy there will be no trip not that its any of your buisness all im doing right now is letting you and others know how you make me feel i feel like you giys have had your fun with me i also feel like you and certain others dont care that you have hurt my feelings or my mental status. all the remarks about me being stupid and the other remarks you and others have said about me have really hurt, you dont know me and i bet if we were to meet you would love me. i want off this website but for some reason i check it only to see if im being talked about badly and if i am i will respond in my own defence

  11. christy love
    01/06/2012 at 11:27 PM

    Does anyone know if the trouple still together?

    • susan
      01/07/2012 at 12:51 AM

      Hi Christy,

      By most accts, it appears that they all share the same address and all live in that Miami Shores house. D. Ward runs a massage parlor (is that the right name? Not sure)in the neighborhood. may or may not co-run it.

      • Christy Love
        01/07/2012 at 6:31 PM

        Thank you.

        • Clio
          01/09/2012 at 8:57 PM

          Will the trouple live happily ever after — as in one of Mr. Ward’s tales for children? Thanks largely to Spag — maybe.

          Did the scandal and trial bring the members of the trouple closer together in a perverse way, regardless of their innocence or guilt? Probably — thanks, perhaps, to their enablers, both within and without their biological families.

          Will Joe ever regain his premurder status? Probably not — lawyers (and LGBT activists) are a most unsentimental lot.

          • Bea
            01/10/2012 at 1:37 PM

            Interesting question. I think Victor is the primary breadwinner now with Joe doing “this and that” referrals and figuring out his own manner of chasing ambulances with his name hidden in the background. Will Dylan be required to pitch in on expenses or just have to keep his own pin money?

            Curious if they still troll for other boys (or has Victor played his card to stop Joe?) – and are they still trying to manage to fit Dylan in their life partner equation as Victor quipped?

            Still, that Sparkly Cat “love of my life” card has to sting.

            • susan
              01/10/2012 at 9:28 PM

              Hey Bea,

              It’s possible that they are all closer now than ever before. When VZ said during his interrogation in Anacostia that DW wasn’t a full-part of the relationship “but we’re working on it” (that might be verbatim) maybe the murder of Robert Wone and the ordeal they faced thereafter did the deed, intentional or not.

              Then again, if DW is still doing the men-only massage business with extras, it may be the same old situation only Southern style

              • Bea
                01/11/2012 at 3:57 AM

                So true. I wonder if Victor has any more power in the relationship now that he’s paying the bulk of the bills.

                Na. My guess is that Joe runs the show.

              • Hoya Loya
                01/11/2012 at 9:50 AM

                That is actually one of the huge missed opportunities in the interrogations. Victor was starting to digress about the three-way relationship, possibly providing meaningful details, and the detective cut him off to pursue another line of questioning.

                • AnnaZed
                  01/11/2012 at 11:37 AM

                  Hi Hoya, yes a great missed opportunity, one of many actually. Looking back on it all now, I think that there was a moment when Joe told the others that the only way out of this mess was to stick together, brazen it out and to count on the stolidity and ineptitude of the police.

                  In this he was not mistaken. The detectives were completely out-matched by these calculating highly educated men. Everything that has happened since those interviews can be traced to mistakes and omissions (paths not followed) from these, the only conversations that authorities would ever have with their suspects.

                  • Bea
                    01/11/2012 at 2:03 PM

                    Hoya and AnnaZed, you are so right. Joe knew the “math problem” from the get-go so long as everyone stayed on script. Pathetic.

                  • Bea
                    01/11/2012 at 2:06 PM

                    I vaguely recall that this has been a law school exam question, or at least an example in class – and doubt my law school was the only one to use it (meaning multiple people present during a crime and no one willing to say who did it).

                    • Clio
                      01/12/2012 at 9:56 PM

                      How did your class and/or professor answer this quandary of the math problem?

                    • Bea
                      01/16/2012 at 12:37 AM

                      Missed this-
                      just as Joe and Judge L figured. If in doubt, have to acquit 3 if only 1 is certain to have committed a crime.

                • Clio
                  01/15/2012 at 11:18 AM

                  Speaking of this triad, in what ways does/did Dyl see himself as a buffer, mediator, or healer between Ma’am and Culuket? Many masseurs, especially those with Asian training, fancy themselves as bridges between feminine and masculine energies. Did Dyl come to believe that his silence or compliance (with Joe’s wishes) over what Culuket may or may not have done actually would be better for everyone (including Victor) in the long term?

                  Did Dyl subsume any anger at his lesser status in the household into his bodyworking? Was that anger completely worked out by hunting for clients and/or thirds? Or, did his loyalty to Culuket reflect his ultimate desire for the unity of the household over any unfortunate happening such as the murder? One still wonders!

              • Clio
                01/12/2012 at 10:12 PM

                I doubt that Dyl’s doing incalls at the trouple’s home: where would he set up his table? Where would his clients park?

                Also, do they each have their own bedroom in the Miami Shore bungalow — if so, that may be a sign of the post-murder monasticism.

                • susan
                  01/13/2012 at 7:47 AM

                  DW is still listed on that male-only massage site that mentions extras. Also, not even the murder of Robert Wone in his home, with sexual assault allegatios looming, stopped Joseph Price from taking steps towards opening his porn video enterprise. So, these guys seem driven in some regards–maybe that itch for a third is still not satisfied. Who knows.

                • Bruce
                  01/13/2012 at 10:54 AM

                  Hi Clio:

                  Maybe we could have a fundraiser for you to go to Florida and do a “bed check.”

                  Would that somehow quench your insatiable obsession with who is sleeping with whom today, and maybe what horrors they inflict upon each other consensually today?

                  Happy Friday the 13th!

                  • Bruce
                    01/13/2012 at 10:56 AM

                    Oh, my goodness, Rick Santorum just twittered, and he will go with you to Florida in his sweater vest.

                    He is concerned, as always, about man on dog possibilities.
                    You guys can chat!

                    • susan
                      01/13/2012 at 8:24 PM

                      Clio, et al., I don’t know about you, but I’m take with more than a grain of salt anyone who follows R. Santorum’s twitter feeds. Ya know?

                      Yes, I share your interest, since according to legal documents, JP and DW were trolling for a third aroud the very time that Robert Wone was murdered in their home. The fact that RW seemed to be paralyzed and had his semen appear in an unusual place puts the question about their relationship and practices front and center.

                  • Clio
                    01/14/2012 at 11:06 AM

                    Dearest Bruce,

                    Perhaps holding a Dinah Shore-style golf tournament as a benefit would be the best way to help to fund any lingering embers of the “very active” investigation. Good show, old boy/girl!

                    Unfortunately, these normally private things such as who is sleeping with whom need to be made public due to the persistent lack of closure about what happened on August 2, 2006. And, the apparent strength and unity of the Joseph R. Price Family in Miami Shores may be incongruous with Lynn’s “cold comfort” — which is another reason for tongues to wag and fingers to type.

                    BTW, give Rick my lavender love (sans dog) and tell him to lose a few pounds in order to “rock” those quaint sweater vests! XO, Clio.

                    • Bruce
                      01/19/2012 at 1:15 AM

                      Dear Clio:

                      I will agree to assist in the golf tournament, but only on the condition that you get to be Dinah Shore, and I get to be Burt Reynolds (on a rug).

  12. susan
    01/13/2012 at 8:26 PM

    Scuse all the typos in that last post.

    • Bruce
      01/18/2012 at 4:01 PM

      Susan, I’m sure all forgive the typos. No worry.

      I remain fascinated how, according to your post, that:

      (1) The fact that Robert Wone was murdered in their house a number of years ago;

      (2) The fact that Robert Wone appeared to be, and may very well have been paralized during the murder; and

      (3) The fact that Robert Wone’s semen was in an “unusual place;”

      ….somehow opens up these teenage obsessions and purely prurient inquiries as to who is sleeping with whom and whose bedroom is being used for what NOW.

      We all know that they were all involved in a sexual relationship before and at the time of the murder. Exactly what variations on that theme as to their current sexual practices are relevant to and can produce results of the murder investigation? No one has been able to respond to that other than to say that everything is “relevant,” when that is not true. How in the world does that serve the purpose of this blog, WMRW?

      Their sexual relationships before and at the time of the murder, and, I would submit, during the investigation up through the criminal trial, are all very relevant, in my opinion. That has been gone over ad nauseum here and there, exhaustively, has it not?

      Some of the comments on here about who is sleeping with whom NOW, what they do with each other NOW, and calls for bedroom checks NOW are not in spirit of finding who murdered Robert Wone, but border on homophobia. I don’t think anyone on here consciously or unconsciously is a homophobe. But please take a few moments and review some of the posts devoted to current sexual practices and inquiries of the Swann 3’s bed arrangements. Someone reading these could connote disparagement of their sexuality. Thoughtful people can be diverted through anger and frustration over this case to write things that can be misinterpreted, or might write something that has a tinge of the unintended.

      My suggestion is that we keep our eye on the sparrow, and not allow the blog to lower itself or trivialize itself away from reasonable inquiry, or be misinterpreted to be something that it is not.

    • Bill 2
      01/18/2012 at 5:24 PM

      Susan, it should be clear to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that any rift between members of the trio could result in a total change in this case. Any sober person could easily comprehend that if one of the trio wanted out, it could result in serious problems for the other two. No doubt, before they even moved to south Florida, they realized that they’re stuck with each other if they want to maintain the tale that Robert Wone was killed by an unknown intruder.

      In the past they had a bond of attraction and affection. It’s possible that this newer sticky glue that keeps them out of jail could lead to resentment on the part of one or two of the trio who may want to leave all this behind. Thus, for people who want to see this case solved, the relationship of these men, now and in the future, is something that bears watching. If there is any type of break-up, it would be a good time for detectives to step in with more questions.

      Thank you, Susan, for keeping us up on the many things that still swirl around the people involved this case, not only the Miami group but the others linked to them. Your dedication is appreciated by many others who post here.

      I hope this doesn’t sound dark, dark, dark. OTOH, it’s better than appearing drunk, drunk, drunk with bizarre accusations of homophobia.

      • Bruce
        01/18/2012 at 5:52 PM

        If there is a rift between or amongst the Swann St. 3, the only way anyone will know about it is if they move out. Where these people live and with whom could raise something that could help find out WMRW.

        Their sexuality now is not relevant.

        Neither are posts suggesting they are now “troll[ing]for other boys,” suggesting “they’re too old for walking the streets,”wonders as to whether “boys parading through may be less desirable,” or posts of “a homosexual fraternity that has pulled another fast one…” helpful to WMRW.

        If you can’t tell the difference, that is your problem.

      • susan
        01/18/2012 at 8:22 PM

        Bruce, since your first post was civil, with no name calling, etc. I will address you directly on this issue just this once. You must know, yet you are clearly itching for a fight–perhaps it’s the defense atty in you–that the majority of friendly posters on here, if not ALL the regular posters on here are “homosexual” as you call it or “homosexual” friendly. No one here is a homophobe except maybe in some twisted way…you.

        That’s it. No one owes you an explanation for something that doesn’t exist and you’ve admitted to playing games before. You seem in this for sport, alone. When your posts are civil and thoughtful and even humorous, I hear you. When you fabricate charges for game, no.

        Bill 2,

        Thanks very much for your nice words. And back at you. Your posts are thoughtful and relevant. Everyone who posts here keeps this not-yet-cold-case alive. Maybe we really do need to Occupy this Crime to get Chief L’s attention.

        • susan
          01/18/2012 at 8:29 PM

          Bruce, I will concede to you that those terms you highlighted–alone–may seem harsh. But what’s harsher, from at least my perspective, is the total lack of cooperation these guys gave to Mrs. Wone. The lying to police (re the knife, for one), asking Mrs. W’s atty to break atty-client priviledge since he went to school with J. Price, etc.

          Finally, the relationship of the trouple (their friends’ term)was and likely still is deemed relevant by the Metro police and the Justice Dept. Relevant enough that intimate letters btw the three have been made public, including hints of breaks and trolling for a third. And on and on.

          • Bruce
            01/18/2012 at 10:30 PM

            Susan, I think we are on the same page.

            I think (and hope) that you read again my post to you starting with forgiveness for typos, after you first typed the post where you suggest I am calling people homophobes.

            As you know, I did not say that, and actually said the opposite. I was thinking of you and some others when I wrote:

            “Thoughtful people can be diverted through anger and frustration over this case to write things that can be misinterpreted, or might write something that has a tinge of the unintended.”

            Your latest post demonstrates that anger and frustration at the Swann 3 that many of us have, and rightfully so.

            My point, and it is really a very narrow one, is that some things posted in anger and frustration (or sometimes even in humor or to be clever), which seem to strike clearly at the Swann 3 in a harsh or demeaning way (which may be appropriate), may also be misinterpreted or misunderstood to be an attack against their sexuality or gay sexuality in general. Of course, with no such intention by the poster.

            But the media and others may be checking in from time to time, and they may not understand the context and the intention.

            There are many other examples than the ones I put in my post of things said that could be misconstrued, but we don’t need to go there, and I don’t particularly want to.

            So, does anger and frustration generally at the crime and the Swann 3, justify or “trump” these posts possibly being misinterpreted by the media, newbies or others, relating to the current sexuality of the Swann 3?

            This is where we may not be on the same page based upon your latest post.

            My thinking is that it is not a real burden to review our posts regarding their sexuality and sexual practices today,and delete those things typed which could be misinterpreted, or restate them in a better manner. The anger and frustration, or the use to make a clever post, can be expressed in other manners, can’t they?

            I know, I can already hear the beautiful love song of the kettle and the pot.

            But I will tell you this personally (as much as one can be personal on here): I will earnestly try to review and temper my posts in the future (yes, even to dear Bill 2), if you will earnestly try to review and temper your posts, and encourage others to also if it ever gets out of hand, relating to the Swann 3’s current sexuality that could be misinterpreted.

            And, by the way, and not on subject but raised in your post, I have no idea of, or interest in, your sexuality: BUT I want you to know that gay people can be very discriminating about other gay people, particularly if those other gay people don’t exactly fit the mold of how one wants or expects other gay people to be like. Oh Mary! I am afraid it is human nature.

            • susan
              01/18/2012 at 11:30 PM


              Thanks for another civil post.

              Regarding the second to the last paragraph posted above, I’m not a blog moderator and I don’t think you are either. Meaning, you have your views re tempering posts directed towards the trouple and you might be alone in that. If anything, I’m all for posters being civil to each other on this site (yes you did hear that kettle and pot song correctly!) That’s a good place to start. Voluntarily.

              Re the media, I personally don’t care what they might think, but apparently what they do think to date, as reported, is quite laudable. The Washington Post, City Paper, etc., etc. have all cited this blog as a source for the murder of Robert Wone.

              Re any “newbie” I would recommend that they (and you) go through some back pages. You will see homophobes slammed to no end. They are not tolerated here.

              • Bruce
                01/19/2012 at 12:53 AM


                Regarding the second to the last paragraph of my post, I did not suggest that you are a blog moderator or that I am either.

                That second to the last paragraph of my post was nothing other than a simple personal request to you, dealing with a very narrow and nuanced issue, based in an earnest effort, with a promise of work on my end.

                • Bea
                  01/19/2012 at 3:43 AM

                  At first I found all the references “to the second to the last paragraph” talk amusing so I had to find it and read it.

                  Bruce, did you really try to negotiate a deal with Susan that you’ll be civil and respectful if Susan also makes that commitment and tries to get everyone else to do so too?

                  I respect Susan’s posts “as-is” (she’s not prone to causing dust-ups). While you have a tendency to play Hall Monitor when it pleases you, you’re as confrontational as they come here, Bruce – and calling out Bill2 by name in that post does seem disingenuous (and wouldn’t you have caught that in your editing if not the first time?). But I digress. I think it’s highly unlikely that anyone without some background in the case is reading our posts out of context. Or reading them at all.

                  Bruce, I am glad you post because in doing so you help keep this case alive. I don’t often agree with you, but in my mind anything that keeps this case alive is a good thing. So long as opinions are identified as opinions and discussions are based on something in what I’ll loosely called “the record” and have any remote tie to identifying Robert Wone’s murderer(s), the posts here serve a good purpose even if, out of context, they may seen extraneous or sensational.

                  Bill2 and Susan have set out why even the sleeping arrangements in Miami may be worth talking about. That’s just it – we don’t know what will shake out of discussions which may move thinking forward.

                  I gave a fresh consideration to your post about being harsh re the three former defendants – it’s something I agree is a worthwhile endeavor occasionally. It would be hell to be one of those three guys if they are completely innocent and know nothing else and managed to be at the apex of the strangest and most bizarre set of coincidences following a stunningly clean and efficient murder for which there is/was no genuine motive. If there was a perfect murder committed by a remarkable (and/or insanely lucky) ninja, then it absolutely would suck for the trio to have people continuing to talk (on a public forum) about the case and THEIR lives. Periodically I assume that you believe the trio may well have told everything they know – and while I don’t see how you could come to that conclusion given the tremendous number of outlandish assumptions one would need to make, I do then “get” why talk of possible tensions in Miami Shores would rankle. And that snarky or funny commentary would seem objectionable. I do understand and respect your (or anyone’s) right to take that position.

                  I won’t bore you with why I think the ninja is indeed a fiction, or run down the litany of all inconsistencies and coincidences one would have to believe to think the trio has been completely forthright in assisting to identify and hold accountable the murderer(s) of Robert Wone. You and I disagree about my list. Too, you have espoused the position that because no one can identify exactly how Robert was murdered weighs in favor of the trio. These points of view give us vastly vantage points from which we judge comments on this blog.

                  I like the idea of keeping up the pressure on these guys, to promulgate the notion that “this” is never going away, even if the banter gets bawdy or if lines of propriety are danced around on occasion. I genuinely believe that, in time, the truth will come out – whatever that truth is – and that it will come from one of the three or their friends/family members. I suspect that you would be pleased by this, of course, but you may not think discussions on this blog will be of any help. But working together here, what is the reason you come back time and again like the rest of us? Isn’t it because you can’t stand the idea that the murderer(s) of Robert Wone are still walking free? And in your gut don’t you think that one or more of the trio has valuable information (at a minimum) that they’ve not disclosed to police?

                  Civility is good. Surely you see that you manage to be in more than your fair share of online scuffles here – but I am game to give it a shot. And not because the Hall Monitor (: told me to or because any deal is being struck – though I do hope you answer the questions posed and think about the “vantage point” differences and how that affects our respective position. But, and I can’t stress this enough, if you quote from stale posts or dust off some out of context argument for argument’s sake, I won’t take the bait. If you’re genuine about changing the tone of the blog, you have to play by the same rules, right?

                  FYI, it’s late and I’m not going to reread for typos or rethink any word choices which may lead to misinterpretation. Also a joke.

                  • Bruce
                    01/19/2012 at 8:02 PM

                    Hi Bea:

                    Not much room here so I will try to find a better place to respond to your post.

  13. christylove
    01/19/2012 at 11:35 AM

    What nerve to come here and tell us what’s relevant. Now I know why kids used to beat up hall monitors.

  14. susan
    01/20/2012 at 10:43 PM

    I’ll also post this just because I can and because it’s true: When Marianne Gingrich publicly busted Newt for his proposition of an open marriage, it made me think of VZ. Was he given such a prop.? Would it have been different for Marianne if Callista, she of the helmet hair, was a roomy in the home, a friend of a friend just boarding who became something more? I wonder.

    • susan
      01/20/2012 at 10:44 PM

      Don’t know how this post ended up here.

      • Clio
        01/21/2012 at 3:28 PM

        Victor better not come down with cancer or M.S., or the results may come out the same.

        Callista strikes one as far more deferential to her mate than any man would be: just a thought. Her Nancy Reagan act is probably painful for the real Nancy to watch.

        Any deference or loyalty to Joe now, though, must stem from what may or may not have happened on August 2 — that’s why the trouple’s current relational/sexuality status may be still pertinent to the “active” investigation.

        • susan
          01/21/2012 at 8:13 PM


          There’s a New Yorker article on Callista in the Jan. 23 New Yorker online. It seems that like Nancy, the deferential thing is just an act. One staffer called her a prima donna. She seems like she would be. In that regard maybe she’s less Dyl-like, but who knows. I guess one diff. btw Marianne and VZ would be that VZ is bringin’ home the bacon.

          If I had to guess, I’d think DW is done with JP and his business provides him with enough potential new BFs. Way back there was that report of JP snogging in a train, who knows if true. Waiting for someone outside the trouple sphere to kiss and tell.

          • Clio
            01/24/2012 at 9:26 PM

            Does absence make the heart(s) grow fonder? If Joe is doing what we think he may be doing, then Miami Shores may be an empty nest at best.

            • susan
              01/24/2012 at 10:02 PM

              Fonder? I wouldn’t think so. Prob. giving the party with the local business a break.

  15. susan
    01/22/2012 at 1:01 AM

    Fascinating, I mean really fascinating-all of it.

  16. Clio
    01/22/2012 at 2:22 PM

    Well, if what Bea and Susan have discovered is true, then what implications may that situation have for the cohesion of the Miami Shores bungalow? Is Dyl home alone most evenings?

  17. Bill Orange
    01/24/2012 at 1:28 PM

    Intriguing. A DC area code for the phone, a Missouri area code for the FAX machine, and a residential area for the address of the “office”. Property records list it as a residential townhouse owned by someone whose name I don’t recognize. And it certainly looks like a residential townhouse on Google maps. The owner isn’t claiming it as a homestead, so presumably it’s being rented out. I wonder who lives there.

    • Bea
      01/24/2012 at 2:31 PM

      Bill Orange, my thoughts exactly. We did the same research, obviously, and I do wonder if he’s able to make a living that way – it’s a tough world to NOT be able to “get your name out there” and have to rely on a quasi-cutesy domain (not the stuff of white shoe lawyers). And the long term plan for Florida – was he kept from taking the exam, did he fail, did he opt not to? I can’t imagine that the particular specialty provides high volume clientele outside of DC, so it’s an odd choice if one expects to move to Florida.

      • susan
        01/24/2012 at 7:25 PM

        Looks like we are all on the same page. My thoughts: The owner may own other local properties (looks like it) and rent the place out. Nice landing base for two with connections to DC. Landing place if not outright part-time, more than part-time residence. Weren’t they on the same street before? Nice-ish area. May be Mercedes, Prius, Toyota.

        • Clio
          01/24/2012 at 10:47 PM

          So, not Dodge, Chevy, Lincoln, after all: Sparkly Cat (and Culuket and Ma’am) must have nine lives and at least five faces (each).

          • susan
            01/25/2012 at 9:05 PM

            Actually Clio, I was basing that on the general neighborhood but on MapQuest I looked at the street view and sure enough, one black car has that little Mercedes symbol.

      • Bill Orange
        01/24/2012 at 8:35 PM

        I’m curious about the zoning laws in DC. I would imagine that they’re pretty strict. Looks like a residential area to me. An office would be a big no-no, I would think.

        I can tell you that if Joe took the bar in Florida, then I’m fairly sure he passed it. He’s a sharp guy, and he’s had a lot of free time on his hands recently. The Joe I knew would have passed it easily.

        • Clio
          01/24/2012 at 9:23 PM

          A Missouri area code for the fax machine? Huh?

        • susan
          01/24/2012 at 10:24 PM

          Maybe he accrued new experiences that would suit the DC area better. Re residential area, it is also advertised in various venues online. One can get a license, I think, to practice at home. Unless the actual practice is not at home but just an address is used.

  18. Bill Orange
    01/24/2012 at 7:58 PM

    Note to eds: Comments seem to be appearing out of order again.

  19. David
    07/02/2013 at 5:45 PM

    I am shocked by all of this. I have read most of this and other stuff online. I can NOT believe what my eyes have read about a friend of mine that I knew since high school. I came about this “blog” while looking for Dylan on FB. I went through some old year books and did a search on FB to which no result returned about my friend from years gone by, but I knew that he was quite the academic, always excelled in school. I have always thought about him over the years, and hoped and wished he was well. I lived in Japan for many years as well as other states etc and lost contact with Dylan mid 90s after his schooling for the culinary arts. I knew that whatever he did after that (no internet really back then)he would be successful. Whenever I was in town I would pop by his home to see if he too was in town, sometimes he was other times he wasn’t. I do not want to get into a lot of this, but I just wanted to post that I am shocked about all of this; I just found out this today. I feel for any family who is dealing with a loss of any family member. I also feel for my friend and his family as well. My thoughts about Dylan were right from the point of him being successful which from my reading of various articles showed me. As for the negative information on this awful event that the three may or may have not been a part of is overwhelming to me as I can NOT imagine Dylan doing this or associating with anyone who would do this. I know people change etc, but THIS is just too much for me to grasp at the moment. I am playing my memories of him from our teen years and early 20s over in my head and I can not believe this. I hope that through this blog good can be taken from it…For me I am using it as a release from the shock and disbelief i am feeling at the moment. To the family of Robert Wone, I am so sorry for your loss, and to the family of my friend from years past, I am also sorry that the family had to experience this with your child, brother, uncle, cousin, nephew….My prayers are with all family and friends of both sides of this awful and sad situation.

    • susan
      07/02/2013 at 8:18 PM


      Your feelings are understandable. As time goes by, I wonder how much anyone really knows anyone else. And how many people really know the people they live with?

      I wonder, could you see your friend as part of a “trouple,” as their friends called them? Can you see him with a “torture” chamber in his bedroom? Did you know that side of him? Or maybe it was a phase of him. Who knows. But if keep reading, as there’s a lot to read, you will see that for the prep. for the civil case that didn’t happen, none of the three guys offered much up except “no comment.” Address? No comment. Shoe size? No comment (not that last one, but you get the idea.

  20. Boofoc
    03/10/2017 at 1:18 PM

    David: Having known Dylan since forever and having read all that he’s accused of since your friendship, would you recommend that I submit my body to his “talents” as a massage therapist?

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