“I Believe In God”

Getting Religion at the Violent Crimes Branch

The final installment of the Anacostia Dialogues runs 25 minutes.  Detective Milton Norris has Price alone in the interrogation room.  They cover a lot of ground – When Zaborsky met Robert:  “I think, I’m pretty sure Victor went to the (Robert and Kathy’s) wedding with me.”   When Zaborsky learned of Robert’s stay – “Victor didn’t know until – we were making up the bed.”

As Seen On TV: Price's tapes played in court

Then Norris wants to know if either of the three housemates were attracted to Robert, “What is Dylan’s tastes?” the detective asks.  Price responds, “Uh, I would say, uh… me.”  

Several seconds of awkward silence passes before Norris asks a follow up, “What about  Vic?”   Price, misunderstanding the question, assuming Norris wanted to know if Zaborsky was Ward’s type, says, “Yeah, Victor too.”  Norris clarified and restated it, was Zaborsky attracted to or did he have feelings for Robert?   The answer was no.

We’ve spent the better part of a month trying to deciper these interviews, separating wheat from chaff, truth from lies.  But about 10 minutes in, Price states what is clearly a given in this case, a testament to Robert’s character:  “The guy did no wrong. He was the most earnest, hard working… good natured person.”

The transcripts for the final portion are here and begin on page 62.  The tape ends just as Price and Norris bicker over whether a lie detector test will be taken that day and if Price is able to see his two housemates.   After the jump, Thursday’s Tea Time Movie.

58 comments for ““I Believe In God”

  1. denton
    09/09/2010 at 11:38 AM

    I have no connection with the Estate of Robert Wone. I have no relationship with any of the 3 housemates, their families/friends. I am not a lawyer/cop. I am just a layperson watching a crime investigation movie here. I also am an Asian and a Buddhist by birth.

    …and I believe in Karma (you get what you give, you reap what you sow). I believe in the highest of our beings (God included) on spiritual, conscious, and mental level “above” and “beyond” “self.”

    Joe is a bright and a good story teller (very consistent, very convincing, very protective of himself and ones he cares). I have more sympathy for him on this video than the previous one. I would say “Poor Joe, why is this happening to you?” if I know him. I would say “Wow, why can’t he at least tell the truth and be done with it instead of keep defending it?” but I don’t know him.

    Joe’s 11:43 p.m. 911 call was a pre-set (like you set an alarm clock to wake you up at exact time). This could be the beginning (or late beginning) of how Joe mapped out story in his head since he sent Victor “upstairs” to call 911. The story had to start somewhere!

    The crime scene was now separated by the location of 911 call. Why on earth you had a bloody someone with 3 stab wounds in your home and you did’t stay with the dying person while talkng to 911? Then Joe said that he didn’t know what Victor was saying with the 911 operator. Clever. Very clever!

    So I saw a “hippo” in Joe’s story! BUT it was a clever one.

    I conclude my “karma” theory is real. One day, one day…what you did WILL come back to you. Who did it, by the way? I am scratching my head here….

    • Michael
      09/09/2010 at 12:14 PM

      Nice preface!

      • denton
        09/10/2010 at 10:09 AM

        Michael – When I get up at “precisely 11:43 p.m.” (not my real time though), I can say someting nice like this…just playin with you….

    • Liam
      09/09/2010 at 8:48 PM

      Well, I never previously understood and still don’t get all the hoopla over the 11:43 vs. actual 11:54 time of the 911 call. As JP said during the interview, “you guys can verify the time” (as, I would thing, most people know), so it wasn’t like they were going to change a set-in-stone time (i.e., the time of the 911 call) just by saying a different time.

      If they were trying to manipulate the timeline, they would surely manipulate other times that were not so easily verifiable. The only reason I can see to move the time of the 911 call back to 11:43 is if they were worried a neighbor would by able to identify the time of Victor’s scream and it would look strange to delay calling 911 for a long time after the scream.

      But, once again, saying it’s 11:43 doesn’t make it so.

      • denton
        09/10/2010 at 10:49 AM

        Joe set his “defense clock” time AT “11:43” (p.m.) with messages that (I am reading in Joe’s head as if I am him so I can set my argument with my story):

        1. We called you guys. [Meanings: We didn’t delay. We took care of Robert by calling 911. We didn’t just sit there. We did something … AND … AT 11:43 that we started – SEE!)

        2. Joe told Victor to ask the 911 operator the time on purpose. Whatever the time recorded that detectives discovered was “NOT MY PROBLEM!” SEE!

        … and the rest, and all other details, are history! He got the MPDC really good on this one.

        Note: The above is just my opinion.

  2. Bea
    09/09/2010 at 1:37 PM

    I read “yeah, Victor too” as meaning that Joe was likewise “his type,” not that Ward was Victor’s type.

    His demeanor and gestures are so demonstrative that I wish we could have him be “read” by an expert. It’s been said many times that we can’t know how we’d react and behave under those circumstances, but now that we’ve seen all the tapes, from early to late, it seems Joe’s combative persona was present throughout. Why? I understand it after many hours of repeating oneself (though we never hear on tape him expressing concern that the cops are wasting precious, nor any hand-wringing over not being any more ‘help’) but I don’t ‘get’ it that even in the beginning of the questioning he didn’t appear to want to ‘help.’

    • Craig
      09/09/2010 at 2:13 PM

      Bea: You might be right and I misinterpreted Norris’ question.

    • Deb
      09/10/2010 at 7:37 PM

      Did you think Joe got fidgety and nervous when asked if he were attracted to Robert?

      I also felt like Joe’s “that’s offensive” response was deflective on Joe’s part.

      I have an impression that Joe is an intelligent guy who could readily grasp the concept that “sexual attraction” is going to come to bear in ANY domestic crime — regardless of gender, preference, or anything else in between or beyond.

      I’m left with the feeling that Joe “played a card”, so to speak, to deflect the focus.

      I’m also left with the feeling that MPD is afraid of cards, so they use them to build houses.

  3. Rapt in MD
    09/09/2010 at 2:13 PM

    Well…another day, another video, and for me – another completely different reaction AGAIN. In this segment, Joe seems convincing to me. I found myself believing that someone else came into the house.

    The previous tape had me convinced that Joe was the sole perpetrator of the murder and assault because of the way he offered every little crafted detail of the story. This tape has me thinking about Michael Price again. My gut reaction on this one is that Joe is protecting someone, but not himself, Victor or Dylan.

    And just one comment on the detective – what a completely inept dullard. I realize it was 4:00 in the morning, but get someone…anyone…but this guy. I thought my head would explode while I watched it.

  4. Cat from Cleveland
    09/09/2010 at 5:55 PM

    The interviews seem perfunctory. I believe the detectives thought that the crime scene was cleaned, and when the forensics came back, they would have an easy case. It seems as though they did not think they actually had to work to solve the case, and when the forensics came back, they had already lost their chance to examine the defendants.

    • denton
      09/09/2010 at 7:26 PM

      … and when the forensics came back, they had already lost their chance to examine the defendants.

      Big time, CfC! Those golden hours were gone! Plus, Joe washed RW’s blood off his hands at the “loo” 3 times (he had to empty the diet coke) at the precinct – so did OJ Simpson after he killed Brown/Goldman. But, again, it was Joe’s story that he offered on how RW’s blood got on his hands.

      Back at the house. Whoever stabbed RW, OR however the knife was applied, “How many times RW’s body GOT WASHED OFF?”

      It was such a “quiet, stone cold, freaky, death.”

      • Rich
        09/09/2010 at 9:14 PM

        Dear Denton,

        “It was such a ‘quiet, stone cold, freaky, death.’”

        I’ve spent 4 years thinking worse. To me, it was a murder of rage. If they wanted Robert dead, which I do not believe was the case (I still believe it was sex play gone wrong), then why didn’t they just shoot him? Stabbing him three times suggests rage, don’t you think?

        • 09/09/2010 at 9:50 PM

          the bottom line-imho- Victor has to have a come to jesus moment w/ KARMA and his mind

          • denton
            09/09/2010 at 10:26 PM

            …lol….

        • denton
          09/09/2010 at 10:21 PM

          Dear Rich,

          Of all elements that were brought to this case, “rage” seems to be ONE of MANY theories. Money (as we know) is the key to overturn some cases. Sometimes I feel that when it is so hard to look for materials outcome, we need to work on our “spiritual guidance” as well.

          The “Law of Karma” has both “causes” and “effect.” Sometimes things work out on its own, we just have to “Believe in Someone Higher Than Ourselves = God.”

          Cheers, Rich
          D.

        • readee
          09/10/2010 at 7:36 AM

          Because psychopaths don’t shoot.

        • AnnaZed
          09/10/2010 at 12:30 PM

          Rage isn’t the first word that leaps to my mind, more like contempt, insult, degradation ~ something like very controlled rage. I think an enraged stabbing would be more messy. I would say that the artistically inclined Mr. Ward was expressing something by killing Robert; obviously what is expressed is something ugly, but rage still doesn’t feel like it to me – again contempt comes to mind; contempt for Robert, for Joe, for the world that has marginalized him, for his own family (especially Dad). I think the employment of a knife that had been a family gift, that had been owned by his grandfather supposedly, the injuries to Robert’s heart and the stealth and organization of this murder (which I think was planned by Dylan) all indicate monumental grandiosity and withering antipathy for pretty much everyone which I say points to a certain sparkly cat.

          I think that Dylan, finding himself in the ignominious position that he was in, was getting a tad frustrated by life and that the indignity of servicing Joe was wearing on him more than a little bit. I think that Dylan was getting more than a little bit angry and that this anger, this feeling of being insulted by those lesser than himself and the tiresome business of having to work really hard for his room and board was seeking release. I certainly think that Dylan’s performance at AB Data (a job that he got through Joe anyway) could bear some serious scrutiny. I would imagine that his facade of harmlessness and pliable good will was becoming ever more difficult to maintain and I would be interested to know about occasions when it cracked (at AB Data and at Equity Virginia). Even little events like the day that he berated Washington Post writer Keith L Alexander for disrespecting him by napping in court are of interest.

          Dylan was already moonlighting “studying massage” and I’ll wager that things were not looking good at AB Data in the summer of 2006 at all. Also, think of how tiresome Joe’s conversation must be. Joe is a rube with a coarse sensibility and a vulgar instinct to excess. I imagine that Dylan was well tired of him by August of 2006, but he had almost painted himself into a corner. Bear in mind that this is an adult man who lives in a room like a teenager entirely at the whim of another man (just like back with Dad!), it has to grate over time. This being a kept man business is tiresome. Sure, he was working out in his mind his next move to Florida and the easy money to be made doing one-off encounters as a masseuse/prostitute but the unpredictability of it all, the continued dependence on Joe and the sad realization that his hairline is causing his prospects to dim was surely taking it’s toll and I believe that by the hot August night our little Dyl was a dynamo of resentment, entitlement, outraged demoted class consciousness and impaired reasoning due to abuse of both street and prescription drugs.

          I have said before, and I think even more so now, that the catalyst for the murder of Robert was Joe bringing a professional sex worker into his home, his family and his life and that the driver is drug abuse.

          Besides, I don’t think these men owned any guns.

          • Bill 2
            09/10/2010 at 1:33 PM

            Ward’s move to the condo in Wilton Manors, FL is interesting because he moved in with another gay couple. He still wasn’t living on his own. Was it a Craig’s List hook-up or something set up by Price? Did he have to pay rent or was there another type of arrangement?

            A condo neighbor posted here a few months ago, saying that Price and Zaborsky would come down on some weekends and stay in the same condo unit with Ward and the couple. It was probably at a time when they were house hunting and settled on the place in Miami Shores.

            • Clio
              09/11/2010 at 8:56 PM

              And, one of the most glowing reviews of Mr. Ward as masseuse came from a male couple. Go figure!

              Editors, where is Dyl living and working now? Has this professional “third-wheel” found another yet place to hang his hat?

              • Clio
                09/11/2010 at 9:01 PM

                Oops, for my last sentence above, I meant: Has this professional “third-wheel” found yet another place to hang his hat?

                P.S. One should not have wine with dinner, if it is right before posting on this blog.

              • Craig
                09/12/2010 at 9:17 PM

                Who knows about Ward but we’ll find out sooner or later. You have to wonder if Needham and Diane have him on a short leash.

                Meanwhile, there was an interesting Price sighting recently. More on that later this week I think.

                PS: Cat – Durham did not testify at the trial.

          • KiKi
            09/10/2010 at 1:49 PM

            I think there are many problems with this “theory,” but I think the most glaring is that if Dylan really did not want live “entirely at the whim of another man;” Why would he kill someone in that man’s house, thereby having that man clean up and cover for him, thus making him even more indebted to this man, and likely connected to him in an inferior position for the rest of his life.

            Otherwise, I do think that the story above would be a good basis for a crime dram episode.

            • KiKi
              09/10/2010 at 1:55 PM

              I meant crime drama – maybe I need a dram of whiskey!

            • Bea
              09/10/2010 at 2:21 PM

              KiKi, I do think people behave without necessary ‘afterthought’ when using copious amounts/combinations of drugs, though there would have to be ‘murder in the heart’ to be able to stab someone three times. I think that AZ’s post has some interesting propositions and I do see drugs fueling something which, in the moment, wrestled the concern as to consequences to the ground.

              That aside, I don’t see him acting alone. I don’t think he’s inclined to action in general. I suspect he enjoys watching drama unfold (and has a sharp tongue – see unleashing on reporter) but that doesn’t mean he behaves/acts on impulses. I think it was likely some combination of Joe/Dylan psychodrama coupled with one/both of them having serious issues (narcissism to possibly sociopathy/psychopathy) and that combusted. Joe figured he could clean and sell it however he wished (and apparently accomplished since he’s walking free, though Judge Leibo’s opinion will always shadow him).

              • KiKi
                09/10/2010 at 3:24 PM

                Bea, Maybe I misunderstood the post, but it seemed to me that AZ was saying that Dylan did act with afterthought and prethought and philosophical thought, etc. I agree with your point that people don’t think through there actions in the heat of the moment especially if they are on drugs, (which I have yet to see proof Dylan was that night). But I did not think that was what AZ was referring to. Mostly because I can’t understand how someone’s daddy complex and class consciousness and resentment with ones position in life are spur of the moment reactive thought processes.

                • Bea
                  09/10/2010 at 3:48 PM

                  My guess was that all this was in the back of his mind, turning the psyche’s wheels, not so much a “I will exact revenge for stated reasons” kind of thing. I may be wrong.

            • Bruce
              09/12/2010 at 8:04 PM

              Kiki:

              You are applying logic. Stop that right now, young woman!

          • Bill Orange
            09/10/2010 at 2:49 PM

            Interesting scenario. I would add that another possible reason for Dylan to “go off” would be that Joe very likely treated Robert Wone as more of an equal, at least compared to how he ever treated Dylan. Robert was an accomplished lawyer and a hard worker, and he was likely treated with some level of deference. Dylan, on the other hand, was expected to prepare the guest bedroom and answer the door. I would imagine that he found it a little demeaning.

            Still, the “Dylan did it alone” scenario doesn’t really explain the lack of movement by Robert Wone during the attack, which is something I’ve never really come up with a good explanation for.

            • Deb
              09/10/2010 at 8:34 PM

              I’m repeatedly left with the feeling that Joe was jealous of Robert.

              I don’t have the feeling he viewed Robert as an equal in any sense.

              Rather, I think he resented that Robert was (at least in Joe’s opinion) “superior” to Joe.

              Every chance Joe gets, he belittles people he supposedly loves, EXCEPT, of course, Dylan and Victor for the most part (although he does take a couple of pokes).

              Robert was an overachiever, private school, one of Joe’s political action “appointees” who still hasn’t made partner.

              The most obnoxious is at about 12:41 on the eds’ clock when he tells about how his brother used to beat the crap out of him.

              For some reason, Joe seems to choose to turn down the same road he previously found so offensive when suggested by the detective.

              Joe, with manual emotion, chooses to bring to the front that his GAY brother beat the crap out of him. . . his YOUNGER GAY brother.

              Those remarks alone have for a long while sat poorly with me, but Joe is a politician of sorts, so no wonder?

              There are so many things about the remarks that bug me that I think I will save full commentary for another time. . .

              In the meantime, I’d like to read everyone else’s thoughts.

              • Bea
                09/10/2010 at 9:20 PM

                It is strange that in speaking of his nonviolence his point is that he’s been routinely beaten by his GAY brother. I ‘get’ the reference to “younger” but why reference “gay” except as a self-hating reference (as in ‘I get beaten up even by OTHER gay men’?). He’s definitely fine with playing whatever card he has.

              • denton
                09/10/2010 at 9:24 PM

                In my small opinion:

                Joe, by nature, liked to “win.” I was not sure how much he liked to “compete,” but he sure liked to “win.” Robert appeared to be a “very competent” friend. I didn’t think Joe found RW a threat since both had shown one another enough respect and on “equal” level.

                Jealousy, possible, but I think it was the “demon” that led the murder took place. Was it full moon that night? You know how the “full moon” can flip people’s mood, mind, and behavior around!

                I think “time” changed people on or around August 2, 2006.

                RW was at the “wrong place, at the wrong time.”

          • Emily
            09/11/2010 at 11:31 AM

            I really don’t see Dylan as an instigating perp because Dylan doesn’t appear to feel anything about anything.

            There’s lots of evidence that Dylan is an avoider rather than a confronter. If the going gets tough Dylan gets going.

            Joe seems to have carefully surrounded himself with lovers who will not directly challenge him.

            Victor probably warrants a diagnosis of dependent personality disorder:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_personality_disorder

            I’m not sure what diagnosis Dylan warrants but it would be something like “I don’t give a fuck, leave me out of it” disorder.

            My view is that Joe was the sole instigator of whatever events led to the death of Robert and that Dylan either went along half-heartedly or didn’t know the full extent of events until the last minute.

            • Liam
              09/11/2010 at 7:19 PM

              I tend to agree with you on the role of Joe as instigator. (However, I must add that two months ago, I thought it was Dylan with his collection of implements in his closet and his “weird” personality that was the instigator.)

              It seems to me that when the friendship between JP and RW was established at W&M, RW probably looked up to JP.

              JP was a mentor to the new freshman, RW, who was highly intelligent, not a partier and maybe a little shy socially. JP likes the role of mentor, leader, the person looked up to.

              Also, this dynamic of mentor/mentee likely continued as JP, being older, went to law school first and probably counseled RW about law school as RW later went through it. JP took the job at a big law firm before RW and probably advised RW when RW later was going that route.

              l believe JP liked this role. It suited his personality.

              I just don’t know how (or if) this dynamic in their relationship affected what happened on the night of RWs death.

              Did JP feel he could persuade/influence/manipulate RW into doing something (sexually) that RW didn’t want to do? Was there a massive falling out because RW was not helping JP out (e.g., with new business from RFA) and JP felt he was owed for his mentorship over the years.

              I have no idea what that “missing link” that would help make some sense of what happened might be.

            • Cat from Cleveland
              09/12/2010 at 9:18 AM

              As fascinated as I am by criminal profiling, I do not believe we can make any predictions about what one might do based upon how they have behaved. There at many examples of calm, conflict-avoiding individuals who never seemed to care about anything calmly committing murder. For exampled, the guy in Maine at the B&B. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/06/us/06maine.html
              That guy readily admitted what he had done when his father showed up, and presented no threat to his father. I’m not saying I think Dylan did it, but I’m not ruling out the possibility that he decided to kill RW and acted alone, only to have Joe walk in. I’m also not ruling out the possibility that Joe did it, or that Victor did it (I know, I know, very unpopular position).

        • Alex
          09/11/2010 at 6:02 AM

          I don’t see any rage. These were three perfect stab wounds in that there was no movement of Wone’s body during the stabbing. The stabbing was done to stage the “break in.”

          I think sometimes that the reason none of them are telling on each other is because Joe got them each to stab Wone one time so that they were all culpable, and would prevent each from telling on the other. However, I believe that the medical examiner determined that the stab wounds were all at the same angle. How three different people can all stab Wone at the same angle seems no possible.

          As to the above video, when Joe was asked where he checked Wone’s pulse, Joe hesitated. He had to think about it. REALLY? If I saw a friend stabbed, I wouldn’t be checking their wrists for a pulse. I’m not in the medical profession, and finding a pulse in the wrist would not come easy to me. Joe’s story stinks. He is a sociopath, which is why he can be so calm.

          • Eagle
            09/11/2010 at 12:10 PM

            I agree that each of them could have made one stab wound. That would bind them in silence. Yet, as you note, the angle of each of the wounds was so like the angle on each of the other.
            How about each of them being there to observe the stabbing and thus being complicit and thus being unable to tell on one another? Or maybe they could each have held the handle briefly.
            I can’t imagine Victor being able to stomach that, but we all know that murder suspects are great liars.
            The three neat similar wounds sound so calculated.
            Yet whoever did them seemed to know anatomy real well. They managed to get past the sternal bone into the heart itself.
            I think that If we can solve the mystery of the wounds, the case would be solved.
            Oh well, the courts are certainly giving us a lot of time to think about it.

            • AnnaZed
              09/11/2010 at 12:44 PM

              I am afraid that Agatha Christie already wrote that plot and that any literate person (like Dylan) would easily recognize that plot, or any enthusiastic film fan (like probably Victor) would have seen the film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071877/
              and find the suggestion that they reenact it more ludicrous than intimidating.

              • Bruce
                09/12/2010 at 8:12 PM

                May I also suggest to Alex, Eagle and AnnaZed the recent (w/in the last two years) movie “The Strangers,” where each of the (very) bad people stab the horrified (beautiful) couple.

                Made a fairly suspenseful movie, but seriously doubt that any one of the Swann 3 could convince the other two to do such a thing.

                Can you imagine….”now Victor…Victor!….it’s your turn.

          • tattoo
            09/11/2010 at 12:35 PM

            It seems if the Swann Street 3 all stood in the same place and held the correct size knife the same way, they could have each made a stab wound at a similar angle.

            It is unfathomable after everything else that must have happened that night toMr. Wone by people he trusted, to actually have to look into the eyes of the person(s) who you believed to be your friend(s) and experience them performing an act, in which they know you are unable to fight and they know this act will end your life.

            • AnnaZed
              09/11/2010 at 12:46 PM

              Yes, most of us fervently hope that Robert had lost consciousness by the time he was murdered.

    • Craig
      09/09/2010 at 10:47 PM

      5:00am is primetime for the likes of Wagner and Norris. They should’ve been at the top of their games in those wee hours. The case was blown in the first 24 hours and it was up to Team Kirschner to salvage the mess that the MPD left behind.

      • denton
        09/10/2010 at 10:04 AM

        Wonder what C.Lanier was doing that early mornin…just thinkin out loud….

        • denton
          09/10/2010 at 11:54 AM

          A fine 3D DC cop I knew answered his cell sitting at the “loo” in his home.

      • Deb
        09/10/2010 at 7:52 PM

        I’m not sure it was salvageable.

        There seems to be some reason why MPD suspects Robert was killed in the kitchen.

        Does anyone know why they believe that, or recall any document suggesting that off the top of the head?

        I will research myself if need be, but if you happen to recall????

        • Bea
          09/12/2010 at 1:14 AM

          Deb, one policewoman wrote down that Joe told her Robert had been stabbed out back and that he’d come in through the kitchen. I suspect that’s what the detective was trying to ask about, likely had read her report during the evening.

          • Bruce
            09/12/2010 at 8:19 PM

            Agree with Bea.

            But a bit off topic, but on this witness, it is worth considering…

            This critical witness for the prosecution, this one witness who could put Joe in a big fat lie before the judge in the criminal case, this one policewoman witness…….

            did NOT testify at the criminal trial. I wonder why.

    • Deb
      09/10/2010 at 7:47 PM

      See, that’s where I believe the gay bias comes in on the part of MPD. I am of the opinion they had a preconceived notion one of the 3 (at a minimum) would cave because in their minds gay = weak.

      They didn’t have to “really” investigate because they were going to have a confession by dawn . . .

      • Emily
        09/11/2010 at 11:11 AM

        I wouldn’t be so hipdrawMcGraw on the gay bias. I think bias is the wrong word – maybe gay incomprehension is the right word.

        I think the reality of most police investigations is that most of the people they deal with are stupid and a case involving 3 defendants does usually guarantee that one of them will be a singing canary before dawn.

        I agree with the general notion that the detectives didn’t know what they were dealing with and showed the sleight of foot of Frankenstein’s monster but I have to concede that the trouple, being gay, white, well-educated and lawyers, even, made them unlike any suspected perp they’d ever had to deal with before.

        I mean, the scenario of what went down baffles people like us, who have had the time to consider all sorts of angles, let alone the poor saps who walked into the scene that night.

        • tattoo
          09/11/2010 at 12:57 PM

          I am going with bias, with huge bias. The investigators’ questions/statements are worded with the same stink as questions/statements to a rape victim like did she not think her pervocative way of dressing would lead to sexual assualt? or women don’t dress that way unless they want something to happen. I would not categorize that question/statement as a misunderstanding of women but just plain sexism but more of misogyny.

          The investigators missed an opportunity to gather important evidence, in the end they truly failed Mr. Wone and his loved ones, and for that I hope they are truly ashamed.

          • Clio
            09/11/2010 at 9:17 PM

            So, has Lady Cathy Lanier taken any steps to address these lapses in order to prevent future miscarriages of justice? My guess is: no. Are Norris and Wagner ashamed? No. They collected paychecks that month, whether they were successful or not.

            It is no wonder, then, that no one respects government workers of any kind anymore. Sigh!

  5. denton
    09/09/2010 at 9:20 PM

    I truly think that Joe “believe in God” despite the “high life he was living”! It was a serene moment during midst of trouble when he genuinely answered the detective. Agan, why would Joe “lie” about God? This was just my opinion.

    • Clio
      09/09/2010 at 10:44 PM

      Yes, it was a mini-religious revival for an especially big sinner; only Cane Ridge in Kentucky in 1801 had more meaning than Mr. Price’s early-morning revelation. I wonder, though, if he has ever reconciled his possible and conventional belief in God with his ungodly hubris. Joe may believe in Yahweh, but he may also like to play Yahweh. Accordingly, the Old Testament God killed and was unpredictable: did Joe emulate his diety without “coming to Jesus”, His better-behaved Son?

      • denton
        09/10/2010 at 10:00 AM

        . . . a lost soul (Joe), perhaps! Love the way you put it.

        • Deb
          09/10/2010 at 7:55 PM

          Joe does seem to be a lost soul, which saddens me. I tend to feel, however, that the name of Joe’s god is spelled J-O-E.

  6. Rich
    09/10/2010 at 9:58 PM

    You know, not a week goes by where I do not expereince a revelation or discover something that was always there, yet, I never saw it.

    Last week, I was reading some very old posts and discovered that ChiLaw might be a man!

    Who knew­­­.

    For some odd reason, I always thought HE was a SHE.

    I thought she told us. Evidently, not.

    Sorry, Chi Law.

    Can you imagine if we all met. The mysteries would be eliminated.

  7. boofoc
    09/11/2010 at 1:36 PM

    Deb, Re your question: I thought MPD’s suspicion that Robert was killed in the kitchen – or, at least downstairs – came from the sketchy written report of the first officer on the scene (female officer, whose name I don’t recall); did she say JP told her that initially? Just from memory, perhaps I’m mistaken.

    • Clio
      09/11/2010 at 9:05 PM

      Are you thinking of Ms. Diane Durham, boo? If so, why didn’t she testify in the first trial? Is she still working at the MPD?

      • Cat from Cleveland
        09/11/2010 at 9:15 PM

        I believe she did testify from memory that Joe told her they found RW on the patio. Her interview notes were not so clear on that point, however, and I guess the judge found her memory not credible.

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