Comments on: "Our Theory is Evolving."

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:02:29 +0000

I agree with you again.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:01:46 +0000

I agree with you Bea.

By: Bea

Bea — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:21:01 +0000

I don’t mean to suggest that Victor is innocent of conspiracy, tampering, obstruction. He’s likely guilty of these charges, even if he didn’t murder and didn’t participate in the formulation of ‘the plan’. I respect John’s opinion, and acknowledge that we’re all speculating, but I suspect Victor was asleep during the most heinous of behaviors. AND I believe that the prosecution would love to ‘deal’ with Victor in exchange for testimony.

A sad truth is that in most murders the prosecution will offer a deal to the least culpable – many times it’s as basic as whether one was the ’shooter’ or not. If Victor slept through the murder but participated in the current charges, I’d bet big dollars that the prosecution would cut him a deal in an instant, would go so far to say that UNLESS he was present for the murder that all charges would be dropped against him.

By: Bea

Bea — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:15:14 +0000

I think we are in nearly complete agreement – speculation nevertheless. I do think Joe must be espousing all sorts of love nonsense that Victor hasn’t heard in a while – and Victor truly loves the jackass. Sad and pathetic.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:18:35 +0000

JOHNGRISHAM You may very well be right about Victor’s role in inciting the BDSM activities between Joseph and Dylan.
That just happens not to be my own speculation.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:33:54 +0000

abettEr

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:31:55 +0000

JOHNGRISHAM I do not know if you were replying to my comments, but I did not mean to suggest that there was a “charade” here or that Victor is totally innocent in this.
If Victor is an aider and abettor after the fact, then he does indeed have a personal interest to protect. But not as great as a murder charge which might be lodged against him or his lover, Joseph.
Therefore, he may indeed be risking his relatively better position compared to Joseph by putting Joseph’s interests ahead of his own in order to protect Joseph.
IF Victor is NOT guilty of the murder per se (or even if he is) and he agrees to accept a plea bargain in exchange for turning “state’s evidence,” he would be placing himself in a better position than he otherwise should be in several senses: 1) he might not be charged with murder; 2) charges against him for aiding and abetting could be reduced; 3) sentence requested would be lessened.

By: John Grisham

John Grisham — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:09:06 +0000

Then again, Robert, the inconspicuous Victor might have also been the enabler, encourager and even instigator and participant in such household BDSM dramas. I believe he was.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:51:35 +0000

I meant “his” [Kirschner's]theory that a fourth party was the killer and in that case, my theory that Michael was the paralytic injector.
I also meant what “Joseph” (not Michael) was professing in terms of his love for Victor.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:46:43 +0000

JOHNGRISHAM I could be wrong, but I have always thought that Victor aided and abetted after the fact.
I do not think that Victor participated in Joseph and Dylan’s S&M shenanigans in either the past or in this instance.
Indeed, I think that Victor only tolerated Joseph and Dylan’s S&M relationship because he had reason to believe that refusal to do so might lead to Joseph’s departure altogether and Victor could not bear the thought of this.
Many open” relationships” begin with the partner who loves less all but demanding such from the partner who loves more knowing full well that the partner who loves more so loves the partner who loves less that the partner who loves more will do most anything to keep the partner who loves less from leaving.
Even aside from Joseph’s narcissitic personality which would have demanded that anybody in Victor’s (or Dylan’s) position be a sycophant, I do believe that Victor loves Joseph to an extent that he would do not almost anything but anything for Joseph — even including the cover up of a murder as in this case.
The latter is the only explanation that I have for Victor’s willingness to be thought guilty of something which he may not be and to go to prison for something which he may not have done.
I admit that I do not know any of these men, but somehow I feel that jail time would be a lot harder on Victor than either Joseph or Dylan.
If this is true, I think that Joseph knows it and is being just as hearthearted toward Victor as he was toward Robert, albeit manifesting itself in a signifcantly different way.
This is not to say that Victor was necessarily unaware of Joseph’s unrequited love for Robert which may have been another hurt which Victor felt that had to be borne in order not to lose Joseph.