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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time line: 08022006
2245 hrs :: Wone, Price and Ward retire for the evening, Ward takes sleeping pill and is asleep within 5 minutes after reading (Really? Since when does a sleeping pill take effect within 5 minutes?)
2250 hrs :: Ward falls asleep
2305 hrs :: E-mail composed to Wife Kathy, but not sent
2307 hrs :: E-mail composed to Robert Wone&#039;s colleague - was it sent?
2300-2330 hrs :: Scream or low grunt was heard (okay, which was it? One is loud, one is not) along with chimes from door alarm.
2349 hrs :: Zaborsky calls 9-1-1

Quote: The defense may wish to claim that the combined sample was mishandled by the FBI lab and therefore may have overlooked a fourth party’s DNA (e.g. an ‘intruder’).

Someone please tell me when there was time for an &quot;intruder&quot; to enter the dwelling, collect a knife, silently sneak up to the second floor, sexually  assault - whether against his will or in acquiesce -  Mr. Wone, take him to the bathroom - which was not in the guest room/office - stab him three times, and while he was bleeding to death, make him take a shower until he died, then dress him, take him back to the guest room/office, put him bed, and finally, silently sneak out of the house.

*Note* said intruder&#039;s actions may differ from this dramatic misrepresentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time line: 08022006<br />
2245 hrs :: Wone, Price and Ward retire for the evening, Ward takes sleeping pill and is asleep within 5 minutes after reading (Really? Since when does a sleeping pill take effect within 5 minutes?)<br />
2250 hrs :: Ward falls asleep<br />
2305 hrs :: E-mail composed to Wife Kathy, but not sent<br />
2307 hrs :: E-mail composed to Robert Wone&#8217;s colleague &#8211; was it sent?<br />
2300-2330 hrs :: Scream or low grunt was heard (okay, which was it? One is loud, one is not) along with chimes from door alarm.<br />
2349 hrs :: Zaborsky calls 9-1-1</p>
<p>Quote: The defense may wish to claim that the combined sample was mishandled by the FBI lab and therefore may have overlooked a fourth party’s DNA (e.g. an ‘intruder’).</p>
<p>Someone please tell me when there was time for an &#8220;intruder&#8221; to enter the dwelling, collect a knife, silently sneak up to the second floor, sexually  assault &#8211; whether against his will or in acquiesce &#8211;  Mr. Wone, take him to the bathroom &#8211; which was not in the guest room/office &#8211; stab him three times, and while he was bleeding to death, make him take a shower until he died, then dress him, take him back to the guest room/office, put him bed, and finally, silently sneak out of the house.</p>
<p>*Note* said intruder&#8217;s actions may differ from this dramatic misrepresentation.</p>
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		<title>By: Themis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Themis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,
It sounds like the judge is looking for caselaw from the defense, which they aren&#039;t bothering to research and present. Hell, I would be citing other jurisdictions, even if it is only persuasive authority. I&#039;m sure there is some caselaw out there.

There are all sorts of tactical arguments to be made as well, but they take time and effort and, therefore, mone. Even if you know you are going to trial, you need a good motions practice.

For those who are interested in the most recent case on the right to cross examine forensic techs, check out melendez-diaz at supremecourtus.gov. It is in with the opinions from the last (08) term. The merits and amici briefs are on the ABA website.

Sorry about the typos. Working off the blackberry until the new laptop comes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,<br />
It sounds like the judge is looking for caselaw from the defense, which they aren&#8217;t bothering to research and present. Hell, I would be citing other jurisdictions, even if it is only persuasive authority. I&#8217;m sure there is some caselaw out there.</p>
<p>There are all sorts of tactical arguments to be made as well, but they take time and effort and, therefore, mone. Even if you know you are going to trial, you need a good motions practice.</p>
<p>For those who are interested in the most recent case on the right to cross examine forensic techs, check out melendez-diaz at supremecourtus.gov. It is in with the opinions from the last (08) term. The merits and amici briefs are on the ABA website.</p>
<p>Sorry about the typos. Working off the blackberry until the new laptop comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Clio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Themis.  My intuition about Bernie &amp; Co. going through the motions (literally and figuratively)with a losing hand is then all too true: &quot;win, lose, or draw&quot; indeed, because we get paid for any outcome!

Needham, stop wasting your fortune on &quot;hail-mary&quot; passes and crap shoots: you can redeem yourself with your other progeny by doing so.  There is still time to distance yourself (at least financially) from this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Themis.  My intuition about Bernie &amp; Co. going through the motions (literally and figuratively)with a losing hand is then all too true: &#8220;win, lose, or draw&#8221; indeed, because we get paid for any outcome!</p>
<p>Needham, stop wasting your fortune on &#8220;hail-mary&#8221; passes and crap shoots: you can redeem yourself with your other progeny by doing so.  There is still time to distance yourself (at least financially) from this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Themis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Themis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bea,

I think the judge is risk averse, but I am getting the feeling more and more that the defense team us starting to phone it in as the prospect of collecting all of their fees dwindles. Some of their pleadinha are obvious rehashes. Sure, it&#039;s a loss leader. But they still want minimize the economic losses. Geragos&#039; shitty job on Scott Peterson&#039;s case didn&#039;t didn&#039;t hurt his ability to find work.

Craig,

I&#039;ll try to read the motions soon, but my gut tells me that they are hail mary passes that likely rely on precedent that was all decided 20 years ago, i.e., recycled boilerplate.

Just my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bea,</p>
<p>I think the judge is risk averse, but I am getting the feeling more and more that the defense team us starting to phone it in as the prospect of collecting all of their fees dwindles. Some of their pleadinha are obvious rehashes. Sure, it&#8217;s a loss leader. But they still want minimize the economic losses. Geragos&#8217; shitty job on Scott Peterson&#8217;s case didn&#8217;t didn&#8217;t hurt his ability to find work.</p>
<p>Craig,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to read the motions soon, but my gut tells me that they are hail mary passes that likely rely on precedent that was all decided 20 years ago, i.e., recycled boilerplate.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Bea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Themis, scanning backward through my memory Rolodex, it seems to me that this question is well-settled within the particular jurisdiction.  And Weisberg wouldn&#039;t risk be appealed on what is usually a black-and-white issue.  Two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Themis, scanning backward through my memory Rolodex, it seems to me that this question is well-settled within the particular jurisdiction.  And Weisberg wouldn&#8217;t risk be appealed on what is usually a black-and-white issue.  Two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Themis - To expand on that:  Bernie Grimm raised the possibility that the May trial could go on hiatus while the validity of the DNA testing procedures were being worked out.
He didn&#039;t mention appeal, but did drop the &#039;m-word,&#039; mistrial.

The G was adamant that they turned over more documentation that they needed to and as David said, Judge Weisberg was satisfied with what they produced.

Thanks for your thoughts on this.  I know you have a lot on your plate right now, but your take on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scribd.com/doc/22228753/Motion-to-Dismiss-Indictment-Counts-1-and-2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;motion to dismiss&lt;/a&gt; the conspiracy and obstruction counts is most welcome. XO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Themis &#8211; To expand on that:  Bernie Grimm raised the possibility that the May trial could go on hiatus while the validity of the DNA testing procedures were being worked out.<br />
He didn&#8217;t mention appeal, but did drop the &#8216;m-word,&#8217; mistrial.</p>
<p>The G was adamant that they turned over more documentation that they needed to and as David said, Judge Weisberg was satisfied with what they produced.</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts on this.  I know you have a lot on your plate right now, but your take on the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/22228753/Motion-to-Dismiss-Indictment-Counts-1-and-2" rel="nofollow">motion to dismiss</a> the conspiracy and obstruction counts is most welcome. XO</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Themis,

Knowing that Judge Weisberg is cautious and would not want this case to be overturned on appeal on a decision he made, why then would he rule against turning over the bench notes?  He was rather adamant the the prosecution does not need to turn over the bench notes in this situation.

David, co-ed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Themis,</p>
<p>Knowing that Judge Weisberg is cautious and would not want this case to be overturned on appeal on a decision he made, why then would he rule against turning over the bench notes?  He was rather adamant the the prosecution does not need to turn over the bench notes in this situation.</p>
<p>David, co-ed.</p>
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		<title>By: Themis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Themis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We always got the bench notes when I was doing homicides (in one of the states, not DC).  A defense expert cannot accurately evaluate the government expert&#039;s conclusions without them. If there&#039;s nothing wrong with its expert&#039;s analysis, the government could be making a big tactical mistake by not turning them over because it creates a pretty good issue for appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We always got the bench notes when I was doing homicides (in one of the states, not DC).  A defense expert cannot accurately evaluate the government expert&#8217;s conclusions without them. If there&#8217;s nothing wrong with its expert&#8217;s analysis, the government could be making a big tactical mistake by not turning them over because it creates a pretty good issue for appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Clio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great -- I will tell my florist, and I will spend an MLK weekend in DC (at a hotel and not at a friend&#039;s home) -- thanks, Judge Weisberg!  Only a &quot;nor-easter&quot; blizzard could keep me away from witnessing this little nugget of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great &#8212; I will tell my florist, and I will spend an MLK weekend in DC (at a hotel and not at a friend&#8217;s home) &#8212; thanks, Judge Weisberg!  Only a &#8220;nor-easter&#8221; blizzard could keep me away from witnessing this little nugget of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the next status hearing date has been announced:  January 15.

More on that soon and other motions that have just hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the next status hearing date has been announced:  January 15.</p>
<p>More on that soon and other motions that have just hit.</p>
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