Let’s Take It From the Top…
Last night’s comment from MaNonVa caused quite a stir. It was an intimate portrait of the Swann Street housemates including Sara Morgan. We’re very thankful for the contribution.
It dovetails with other sketches we’ve seen of the defendants but this is up close, personal and thorough. It gives a better understaning of the family.
But the comments on that post were nearing 200 and it was becoming unruly so continue the reaction to this here.
We dont know if MaNonVA will respond to queries but welcome the contribution in any event.
July 15, 2009 at 8:28 PM · Edit
Dylan is professional and kind. He is extremely meticulous and seems to exhibit borderline OCD behavior based on his attention to detail in all aspects of his life. He is very quiet but can deliver a 1-liner joke that will make an entire group breakout in laughter. Dylan is extremely serious and cautious with his words. He is a very petit male that probably ways no more then 130-140 lbs. He has been described as looking angelic in person based on his blond hair and innocent expression.
Without divulging too many details for the sake of my own anonymity, I wanted to share a little bit about my experience with the three suspects. I knew Dylan, Joe, and Victor for a while. I am in no way saying that these men are guilty of the murder of Robert Wone. What I believe is that by bringing as much information to the table, the truth will surely surface.
Professionally, he is one of the most professional people I have known. His power is exhibited when influencing others through subtle and gentle suggestions. He might come across as subdue and hesitant and meek but his relationship with Joe proved to me that Dylan also held very strong opinions and appeared to have an equal position in Joe’s life.
At least this is the perspective I had of Dylan and Joe’s relationship. Dylan and Joe sometimes reminded me of an old married couple because they could bicker like the best of them. I knew Dylan as a person of many many gifts and hobbies. He was always very kind to me and quiet in his approach.
Joe is quite different from Dylan. Like many people have mentioned, Joe is loud, quick on his feet, witty, and opinionated. He is very very smart. When I first met him, I immediately questioned his motives and intentions. He is ambitious, very egocentric, and has little regard for other people’s reputation and emotions unless it serves him to do so. I have witnessed many many of his conflicts with others. Joe can be absolutely charming one moment and a completely irrational self-focused bully the next. I have been intimidated by him during most of my interactions because my gut told me not to trust him with my own concerns. My opinion comes from being a witness to his treatment of other people. When I knew Joe, he struggled to respect professional boundaries as far as friendly or sexual behavior. He can be your best friend and worst enemy depending on how he needs you. He is very protective of Dylan. He has a ton of vision and is gifted verbally. While I never trusted him and feared that his self interests would trump the greater good, he was so showy that it seemed that he cared a lot for his reputation, career, and family so much so that he knew how to protect his interests instead of hurt them.
Other then a few social events,I only saw Victor at certain functions. Victor is my favorite of the three. He is kind, compassionate, and a great listener. He is gentle just like Dylan but has a less serious nature about him and seems to be externally aware of other people’s feelings. He seemed to really love Joe. While I hung out with all three of them on multiple occasions, I never witnessed any animosity between Dylan and Victor. On the outside, they appeared to be a very intact family. They laughed a lot, played up their stereotype when telling stories, and seemed to have true intimacy. While I don’t know Victor that well, if I needed someone to talk to or to help with something, Victor would have been the person I called.
I have been in their house multiple times. It was always immaculate, which doesn’t surprise me based on what I know about Dylan. I have never been in such a modern and “hip” house. They cherished artwork and good cooking and all-around good style. Dylan used the same room where RW was killed to do his work there. The hallways were narrow and the bedrooms small. The largest parts of the house were definitely the living room and kitchen area.
I have also met Sara multiple times. Based on my interactions with her, it seemed that she really fit into Joe, Dylan, and Victor’s dynamic and humor including their opinions towards others. She wasn’t a consistent part of my experiences with the other three so I don’t want to elaborate anymore on my opinion about her.
Anyways, I just wanted to shed some light on their personalities since I have read questions about what they are like as people. In my experience with the three of them, Joe definitely seems to be the center of attention but Dylan showed a lot of control in the group. My view of Victor was that he was the caring and supportive role of the three of them. Again, I knew him the least.
As far as who did what, based on RW’s murder, I realize that sometimes we might never fully know a person. Based on my experiences with the three men, I feel like there is definitely some missing pieces that has yet to be discovered. While the affidavit is certainly compelling, it just amazes me that three men with so much talent and potential would throw it all away. It is so hard to believe that Joe could do this type of act even though I didn’t like him as person.
dare i say you had a fabulous post. i suspect others will sing your praises too for your thoughtfulness and insight (and like me, pepper you with additional/follow-up questions).
what can you share about dylan’s alleged depression and his rumored drug use? did he look blue to you? any leads or information on the knife set that he kept in the room?
again, thanks for sharing. stay with us, and continue to comment — even though many, myself included, may challenge some of the rose-tinted observations.
one further thought: you describe dylan professionally, as a professional. what was that profession again? many have suggested that her rumored mental illness cripled her ability to pursue and stick with a profession – one day a foreign service officer, next day a cook, next day a massuer, next day an electrician (hat tip, cd). in what professional capacity did you witness ms. ward being a professional? many thanks again for sharing your view.
July 15, 2009 at 10:54 PM · Edit
What stands out to me dramatically is that Joe “struggled to respect professional boundaries as far as friendly or sexual behavior.”
I post a while back that imagine Joe to be a “what I want when I want it” kind of guy.
Do you believe that Joe would cross the line with a straight long-time friend?
July 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM · Edit
MaNonVA is a casual acquaintance of the trouple going back a few years. I thought CDinDC was clearly asking about MaNonVA’s prior impressions of Joe. Not: “Hmm, I dunno…Joe seems like the kinda guy who would drug, molest and murder a straight college friend.” More like: in a general sense, did he seem like he would push people in a direction they clearly didn’t want to go?
We’ve all had the experience of receiving unwanted advances we thought we had clearly discouraged. That’s what “crossing the line” usually means to me.
July 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM · Edit
MaNonVa, would you expand on these comments? “I have witnessed many many of his conflicts with others……………..My opinion comes from being a witness to his treatment of other people.”
Also, did/does Dylan have a strong allegiance to Joe?
July 16, 2009 at 1:12 AM · Edit
Please please please keep posting. Thank you so much for your insights and observations. I hope you’ll continue to reflect on your interactions with these individuals and share whatever comes to mind. I specifically would appreciate anything else you can offer re: alleged drug use by any of them; specifics regarding Joe’s tension/conflict with others; what you mean by joe “struggled to respect professional boundaries as far as friendly or sexual behavior;” your impression of why Victor would tolerate Joe’s relationship with Dylan; whether it seems Joe loves Victor; your theory of what happened that evening; ideas for where police should be looking for the missing pieces; whether you knew Michael or his partner; whether you knew Robert … my list could continue. I don’t mean to be greedy. It just renews my faith that there is more to learn and not just rehash when I read people’s post who actually know those involved. Seriously, thank you.
July 15, 2009 at 9:28 PM · Edit
I don’t want to go into how I know Dylan based on my own need for privacy. What I can say is that his work was impeccable. While it doesn’t surprise me that he deals with depression based on his demeanor and stress level, he never dropped the ball as far as his professional endeavors. Dylan was a phenomenal worker. If I could guess his Myers-Briggs, I would say that he is an INFJ with heavy emphasis on the I and J. (Note: I = introversion. J = judgment). Dylan never let anyone down, which to me means that he did a good job managing his depression while on the job. Dylan was reserved and professional in all of his interactions that I saw.
I heard about Dylan’s recreational drug use but never saw it first hand.
As far as Dylan’s interest to change occupations, I always sensed that he had a level of dissatisfaction in his work because it wasn’t how he envisioned his life. At the same time, he is such a student that I am not surprised about his many occupations. I have met other people like him who are just antsy and curious. I hope this helps.
Ha — no news on knives though.
July 15, 2009 at 11:08 PM · Edit
Thanks, MaNonVa, for giving these memorable mini-portraits of the former residents of 1509 Swann.
Your snapshots, though, did beg the following questions:
If Dylan displayed such great judgment, why would he get involved with such a transparent, mercurial operator as Joe Price? How professional would it be for an employee of any organization to be in an intimate relationship with a board member of that same organization? Dylan was hired as a fundraiser at Equality Virginia (EV) because Joe chaired its board of trustees. I trust that Joe recused himself from any board decisions that had to do with Dylan. Yet, however effective that they may have been in starting EV’s Commonwealth dinners, the fact that Dylan was serving as Joe’s “dom” during that time raises serious questions about both their ethics and judgment.
Dylan stills remains enigmatic. How reserved and demure are patrons of the Crew Club (such as apparently himself)? Was Dylan unusually obsessed with Asian and Asian American men? Did this obsession partially explain his long-term interest in Asian cultures and/or his travel to Thailand after the Wone murder?
Finally, why was Victor’s salutary compassion not extended to Robert on and after August 2, 2006?
July 16, 2009 at 1:19 AM · Edit
What’s the Crew Club?
July 16, 2009 at 7:53 AM · Edit
The Crew Club is a private gym (aka as a bath house) designed for sexual hook ups. It is located in DC on 14th street just above Thomas Circle.