Do These Steps Reach A Destination?

Lack Of Blood Leads To Conclusions, Not questions

howdowemakesIn yesterday’s “Towel Boys,” Craig spotlights the inconsistency of evidence found at the scene when matched to defendants’ statements.  Besides a missing towel, he shows the lack of blood found on one of them.  The lack of blood on Robert, on the towels, on the bed sheet, in/on the guest bedroom, is where Escher’s stairs reach their destination.

When the case goes to trial, it is likely the defense will push back on prosecution arguments concerning sexual assault, suffocation, and timeline, to name of few.  And when they can’t push back, they will argue reasonable doubt.


The lack of blood creates a hurdle of evidence the defense will have a difficult time clearing.  The case could come down to this point.

Pushing back and arguing reasonable doubt could get defense a long way, but the fact is, it can’t muddy up, lay a finger on, or whatever metaphor you choose, the lack of blood as probative evidence that drives one in a certain direction.

It’s simple. The lack of blood does not square with the defendants’ sworn statements and is NOT consistent with the “intruder” theory, in any way, shape or form.  Now, the prosecution will have a more difficult time proving other arguments like reason for suffocation and knife wounds.  But, not this one.  

Once one reaches the conclusion that the lack of blood is entirely implausible, then other intruder theory explanations begin to fall away.

Unlike Escher’s staircases that lead to nowhere, a jury may reach a destination.  And a conclusion.

David, ed.

99 comments for “Do These Steps Reach A Destination?

  1. 05/05/2009 at 1:44 PM

    Are there any drugs/chemicals that, when injected or swallowed, would significantly reduce external bleeding? Even when that person is subsequently stabbed multiple times including once in the heart?

  2. CDinDC
    05/05/2009 at 1:49 PM

    Price said there was “a lot of blood on his chest.” One of the EMTs noted that there was a “light film of blood with striation marks” on Robert’s chest. Doesn’t sound like “a lot of blood.”

    Even if Price had wiped Robert’s chest with the towel, it would have shown ON the towel, and Price didn’t say that he wiped Robert’s chest.

    And there was no mention of blood on Price’s hands. You’d think, he would have at least a small amount of blood on his hands since he handled the knife, moved Robert’s shirt and held the towel.

    • TK
      05/05/2009 at 2:35 PM

      But Price was ‘freshly showered…’

  3. Bea
    05/05/2009 at 2:54 PM

    No normal or innocent person, in those circumstances, would think “I think I’ll shower” while waiting for 911. I wonder if they were asked if they did shower (wet hair?) during questioning. If they admitted they did, this will resonate with a jury.

  4. Anon. in Arlington
    05/05/2009 at 4:14 PM

    The affidavit indicates that Joe was not holding a towel to the wounds when EMT arrived. Would you “give up” if it were your friend of 15+ years?

    John Grisham asks a good question. What type of blood clotting drugs do surgeons use, if any, to limit the amount of lost blood? We can assume there are none that would eliminate the amount of blood that Robert lost, or there would be fewer deaths in the ER.

    I have not been a fan of the theory that the stabbing took place in the shower, but I can now see how it could dovetail into a freak out of accidental overdose by injection: If someone in the house wanted Robert to “snap out of it” one may first shake the person, then tap the person’s face, and then very plausibly, thrown them in the shower. If the shower did not Robert “to” then I can see that the shower could be a place for the stabbing to occur. Thanks for pushing that CD. It took me a while… but….

    • CDinDC
      05/05/2009 at 4:33 PM

      My thought was that the shower was originally used to wash his body off after the alleged sexual assault. And perhaps while washing him off, he acknowledged what was happening. He was then “executed” in the shower and allowed to bleed out in the shower. Any blood that was present in the guestroom/elsewhere was as a result of moving Robert from room to room. Blood will only come out if there is a pumping heart or, alternatively, if a body is moved so as to force blood out.

      A shower, of course, will not remove fluids from inside his body, but perhaps he was not cleaned thoroughly because they became distracted when Robert “needed” to be killed to cover the sexual assault.

      • Anon. in Arlington
        05/05/2009 at 5:26 PM

        Although! hmm… if an overhead shower were used to wash Robert, wouldn’t water enter the body through the wounds? The wounds would be a two-way hole once the heart began to slow. Where are the retired MEs when we need them?

        • CDinDC
          05/05/2009 at 5:56 PM

          I would imagine water would evaporate.

          • CDinDC
            05/05/2009 at 6:08 PM

            oops sorry…I misspoke…any small amounts would probably be ABSORBED not evaporate.

    • CDinDC
      05/05/2009 at 4:45 PM

      don’t forget that Robert digested his own blood, so the overdose couldn’t have been fatal.

      I definately believe he was stabbed in the shower….whether he was in the shower to be cleaned or to revive him, they are both viable options and definitely make sense.

      Another thing…….the stab wounds appear to have been dealt from above his head. The wounds are “backward” so to speak. The sharp edge of the knife was upwards.

      Makes me think that someone was holding him perhaps by his underarms….and another carried him by his legs……the person that had his underarms, may have supported Robert’s back against the front of his body, allowing for an over the shoulder blow to the body. The knife would have been in a natural position at this angle.

      Maybe they were holding him in the shower, one of them would have run to get the knife after the decision was made to kill Robert…the knife was handed to the person holding Robert by the underarms…..

      • CDinDC
        05/05/2009 at 4:45 PM

        Hence, the reason they were freshly showered.

        • Anon. in Arlington
          05/05/2009 at 4:59 PM

          Or they all showered to be sure to remove any trace DNA of any sort, and to wash off any of the cleaning products used to stage the crime scene.

          • CDinDC
            05/05/2009 at 5:06 PM

            Agree.

            And I thnk the reason there is blood evidence on the walls going to the basement apartment, is because someone may have showered down there.

            • TK
              05/05/2009 at 5:17 PM

              CDinDC, remember the blood scent picked up by the dog in the drain in the well-hidden stairwell in back of the house, near the hose. I think the body (and maybe them, and some other items was washed off) there. I don’t think Price would like the idea of more blood in his bathroom.

            • Anon. in Arlington
              05/05/2009 at 5:18 PM

              Either completely showered, or took something to the basement entrance to rinse off something. Investigators may have noticed a very wet shower in Sarah’s apartment at 1:00 a.m. (as if she had gone out at 11:30 p.m. vs. much earlier in the evening to hang with friends. And on that note, what adult friends have sleepovers on a work night – I am not talking about Robert, because he lived in Oakton, but why would Sarah crash at a home in the District. There is just too much drama in getting ready for work the next morning unless you are out tricking, and that is not what we are led to believe in Sarah’s case.).

              A abundantly wet shower in Sarah’s apt. may not be noted in the released documents, but may be there. The humidity of an August night in DC would quickly evaporate a lot of trace water from the patio hose.

              It is not clear to me, but were the spots on Sarah’s door detected by chemical testing or was it out-right blood that was missed in the clean up?

      • Corcoran Cutlet
        05/06/2009 at 11:21 AM

        I also think he was stabbed in the shower, and here’s why. Just from my experience, one of the strongest and most reliable instincts in your typical houseproud queen is not to screw up the decor. I know it sounds funny, but is true. Not staining the expensive furniture is paramount. This instinct might operate even in the presence of of other bizarre impulses.

        • TK
          05/06/2009 at 11:26 AM

          Corcoran, what we hear of Price and his neatness obsession would support that, but what about the affidavit’s claim of blood evidence in the bedroom on the walls and floor? And at the downstairs doorway? Sounds like a huge mess. And as far as the stabbing angle, if Wone was lying on the bed, someone standing over him near his head could have stabbed him at the same angle.

          • CDinDC
            05/06/2009 at 11:38 AM

            The bed was completely neat, TK. The only disruption to the sheets/pillow was the one indention from Robert head. And that showed that he layed perfectly still while in the bed.

            Someone climbing up on the bed and standing over his head, would surely have mussed the bed a bit more. I’m sure if I walked all over my bed, it would show.

            • TK
              05/06/2009 at 11:43 AM

              The bed could have been straightened up just like the rest of the room, and Robert placed back on it afterwards. My point is that there has to have been a reason for blood on the walls and floor. And by standing over him I meant standing by the bed; he could have been lying on it sideways originally.

              • CDinDC
                05/06/2009 at 11:52 AM

                Maybe moving him from room to room? Robert must have been at least 150-160 lbs? That’s an awkward amount of weight to carry. They may have brushed against walls, held onto door frames to steady themselves, etc.

                Or the defendants could have panicked and while running through the house touched walls, banisters, etc. I can’t imagine it was a cool and collected scene….until the police showed up.

                I’ve run through my house before….it’s not a straight away anywhere…..I have to run around furniture, corners, down steps…..I grab things. to steady myself. I had a plumbing emergency a couple of years ago…..I actually fell while running to turn valves off. I would imagine they would experience, the same kind of thing, if that’s what what went on.

            • Craig
              05/06/2009 at 8:30 PM

              Wasn’t it a sleep sofa? You don’t stand on those. Too unstable.

              • CDinDC
                05/06/2009 at 8:33 PM

                It was.

                • Anon. in Arlington
                  05/06/2009 at 8:37 PM

                  And there was not a mention of notable blood seeping through the sheets into the mattress.

              • Kenspeckled Souckar
                05/06/2009 at 8:45 PM

                I had missed this important point about the sleep sofa. I say again, it is a mystery. Why would a guy choose to spend an evening sleeping on a stupid sleep sofa instead of going home to a comfortable bed? I don’t understand.

                • Anon. in Arlington
                  05/06/2009 at 9:10 PM

                  I am more inclined to understand and believe Kathy Wone’s explanation that Robert’s reasoning was commute time and a chance to spend time with “friends” (a loosely used word here) in the city.

                  However, it just eats at me as to why Sarah was sleeping at another house with friends that night. I said this last night, but come on – as mature adults (23+) it is rather hard to crash at a friends house on a work night unless you are partying hard and/or tricking. Especially a woman (said in the most non-sexist way, but a nod to privacy, hair, makeup, etc.). I am starting to think she was in her basement apartment and told to leave sometime after 10:30 p.m. She was with friends in DC correct? Robert on the other hand had a bit more of a commute to Oakton. Sorry to move off your initial question Kenspeck.

          • Corcoran Cutlet
            05/06/2009 at 2:54 PM

            It’s unpleasant to even conjecture about this, but what if it happened like this. They play their sick games with Robert who is basically passed out. Then they get worried that he is really out meaning way out. So they quick grab him and put him in the shower to try to wake him up. He wakes up and starts screaming when he realizes what’s going on ” You motherfuckers I’m going to call the cops, I’ll never forgive you!” Then one of them runs for the knife. After stabbing one of them freaks out and starts running around the whole place in a panic bumping into things smearing blood on everything. Then they realize they have to clean up the whole house too.

            What do you think? I can’t remember if someone else has offered the same scenario, if so bear with me.

            I should have entitle this comment J’Accuse.

            • Delores Claiborne
              05/06/2009 at 3:02 PM

              Just thought of something looking at these comments. I don’t want to give any ammunition to the defense. But I think it is possible that
              a lot of blood going into the shower drain would spill over into other pipes and be present in the outside drain. Even if they had not been there. The plumbing tends to be quite connected in a row house I think. But what do I know about plumbing. I do know that if your septic line is a bit backed up a lot of stuff backs up into the system. I don’t know why I’m thinking about this, but do you remember that Falcon porn movie about the mechanics where they are always saying “Let’s blow out the pipes”.

            • CDinDC
              05/06/2009 at 3:14 PM

              That’s sort of a combination of what Anon and I have been saying on this particular entry. My thought was he was put in the shower to clean him off and he “came to” and acknowledged what was happening and the murder ensued…..Anon suggested that he be put in the shower to revive and the murder ensued.

              You’re definitely on the same page with those comments.

        • CDinDC
          05/06/2009 at 11:35 AM

          Price sounds very fastidious.

          • Anon. in Arlington
            05/06/2009 at 12:08 PM

            It sounds as if the house was kept in a fastidious manner, yet my personal OCD issues question why the patio chairs are not more alligned or ready for a House & Garden photoshoot.

            Perhaps the meticulous attention to the house has grown from a general observation from someone who is more causal, to become an 1509 Swann urban legend.

            • Anon. in Arlington
              05/06/2009 at 12:08 PM

              – Patio chairs as seen in the crime photos.

              • CDinDC
                05/06/2009 at 12:11 PM

                Maybe the men in blue disturbed them?

                • Anon. in Arlington
                  05/06/2009 at 12:46 PM

                  I hope not, in that this would open questions as to the purity of the entire investigation scene.

                  • CDinDC
                    05/06/2009 at 12:49 PM

                    Yeah, well…..there’s been a few mishaps already. :/

  5. Fascinating
    05/05/2009 at 4:16 PM

    This is a long-winded one from me! LOL, bear with me ….

    I just read, for the first time, the “Affidavit in Support of Applications for Search Warrants”.
    This may be old news to some, but certain details are jumping out at me.

    Here we go ….

    A “Pill crusher” was retrieved as evidence. Hmmm. What form does ketamine come in?

    This is the first time I’ve read that the area “had been cleaned”. Chemicals and “artificial light source showed trace blood evidence located around the area where the victim’s body was found.” It says the trace blood evidence was found on the walls, floors, sofa bed, and the room’s door frame.

    Later in the affidavit there is another interesting description of the trace blood: “This blood was in the form of a trail leading from the bedroom area where the decedent was located into a hallway outside of this bedroom.”

    Blood was also found on “…the inside door going to the basement apartment from the kitchen area of the house.”

    So, apparently, blood used to be in many places in the house … before it was cleaned up!

    Nothing was recovered from the black BMW parked in the back of the Swann Street house … I was entertaining the thought that Robert Wone was killed elsewhere then brought back to the house … but maybe not.

    I’m very interested in the Kodak disposable camera they found.

    Now … the other info from the affidavit for search warrants that stands out BIG TIME for me is the CULUKET email.

    “Investigators learned that Price used the yahoo web-based email address ‘Culuket@yahoo.com’ in the days before the incident to communicate with other identities and share photographs. Price also used the name ‘culuket’ on gay male chat sites.”

    This affidavit also confirmed what I’d been wondering: “…the decedent and Joseph Price had emailed one and other prior to the decedent visiting the house. There were also phone calls made between these same two individuals in the recent time period before the decedent was killed.”

    By the way, I’ve found evidence that the culuket email was still being used for online communications as recent as August 2008! You’d think Joe would want to retire that email address.

    I am starting to develop an idea (based on the Alt.com profile + the search warrant affidavit) that Price cruised online hook up sites for sex partners. I find the affidavit’s wording fascinating … that Price used his email “IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE INCIDENT to communicate with other identities and share photographs.”

    In other words, he was looking for a hookup or a “scene”. And I’m starting to theorize that MAYBE everyone who was in the house that evening has not been accounted for. MAYBE there is semi-truth to the “intruder” theory. (Just thinking outside the box here….)

    One last red herring …Price’s brother, Michael Price, relapsed on crack cocaine immediately following the murder, and his partner characterized the relapse as the “worst one”. I know that emotional events can set off drug users, but …. Hmmmmm.

    Finally, did anyone ever get any further on 5119 Lee St. NE? I wonder how that address even got into the mix?

    I’m done. Discuss. 🙂

    • CDinDC
      05/05/2009 at 5:04 PM

      Fascinating says: “A “Pill crusher” was retrieved as evidence. Hmmm. What form does ketamine come in?”

      Ketamine comes in a power, tablet and liquid form.

      Robert was injected, so I imagine the pill crusher could have been for their everyday drug use.

      PS…I tried to locate information on the internet about crushing ketamine tablets for injection, but could find nothing about it.

      • Spike
        05/05/2009 at 5:33 PM

        Almost anything can be crushed for injection. Even crack cocaine. It’s just a matter of how you liquify it, and in what base. (I’ve done drug research work in the past).

        I still have a hard time imagining a scenario that transpires that leads three people to the conclusion, “We have to kill him!” I don’t see any of the defendants thinking murder is the answer to a sexual assault charge.

        That’s why I still lean in the direction of thinking drugs were administered, they thought the drugs killed Robert, they stabbed him to make it look like an intruder murdered him, and they thought that would be that. (And by “they” I mean any one or combination thereof with any remaining members being drafted for the coverup.)

        And yeah, Fasc, it’s probably likely that Joe was cruising online for partners because that’s mostly where guys cruise for partners in the modern era.

        • CDinDC
          05/05/2009 at 5:55 PM

          Spike says: “That’s why I still lean in the direction of thinking drugs were administered, they thought the drugs killed Robert, they stabbed him to make it look like an intruder murdered him.”

          Totally plausible.

          Spike also says: “I still have a hard time imagining a scenario that transpires that leads three people to the conclusion, “We have to kill him!” I don’t see any of the defendants thinking murder is the answer to a sexual assault charge.”

          Murder as a means to cover-up a major felony happens every day.

          • Anon. in Arlington
            05/05/2009 at 6:03 PM

            But one of the residents is a lawyer who argues his side all the time, studied it for 3 years, and usually argues to his favor, it seems more likely that they could have talked themselves out of an assault bind. I agree with Spike that causality was due to perceived drug overdose than sexual assault. Its much easier to beat a sexual assault than a murder rap. That said, when the victim cannot speak, it removes the he-said-he said element to this case.

            • CDinDC
              05/05/2009 at 6:46 PM

              Desperation calls for desperate measures.

              A charge of sexual assault would be grounds for disbarrment.

              I stand by my thoughts that Joe Price has a sexual addiction. He wanted to fulfill a fantasy. He used a drug on his victim that he knew, through his own personal experience, would cause an amnesic effect. Unfortunately, this didn’t happen and Robert was aware of what happened. Fearing being disbarred, he panicked and they killed Robert.

              Opting for a lesser charge just wasn’t an option.

              • CDinDC
                05/05/2009 at 6:49 PM

                And don’t forget there is evidence of a possible sexual assault.

                Not assault….sexual assault. BIG difference.

                T/he/y would also be considered a sexual predator/s and listed as such on the registry.

        • Bea
          05/05/2009 at 10:45 PM

          Spike, what part about “we think he might die from the drugs so let’s stab him to cover it up” doesn’t say to you “let’s kill him?” I’m more in the something-went-awry camp than premeditated lure to get him there to kill him, but murder is murder.

          And a decision to stab him is premeditated if to cover it up, not a heat-of-the-moment-whoops-slashed-him. If there was any deliberation in that decision, then it’s likely first degree, not second degree, but nothing like a manslaughter where it wasn’t strictly “intentional” (as perhaps the drug overdose may have been).

          Joe Price knows this. Possibly the most chilling part is that he’d rather kill a man than face possible charges for assault. For some who believe the sex was consensual and the drugs were consensual (don’t see either, but that’s opinion), I ask whether the act of intentionally stabbing a man to death because it was “messy” or he simply didn’t want have to explain why Robert died, is his thought process not possibly even more repugnant? Any way you believe it got to that point, the decision to stab him to death is just despicable.

          • Spike
            05/05/2009 at 11:06 PM

            No, what I am meaning to convey Bea is that I think it went, “Oh my god, Robert overdosed and died. That will ruin my/our reputation/job/life. I/we have to make it look like an intruder murdered him.”

            I’m thinking any drug that can make a person almost comatose is going to slow the heart rate way down. I’m suggesting somebody was wrong about him having overdosed and died, but thinking he already was dead, he/they thought stab wounds would take attention away from the drugs in the house.

            I’m saying we know, thanks to the autopsy, that Robert wasn’t dead when he was stabbed. I’m saying the stabber(s) didn’t.

            I honestly don’t see the “better to murder than be accused of sexual assault” line of reasoning.

            • CDinDC
              05/05/2009 at 11:15 PM

              If Robert were alive to testify against someone, that person would surely go to prison/be disbarred.

              If Robert were dead, he couldn’t testify, that there wasn’t an intruder.

              The cover up was supposed to prevent anyone from thinking they did anything wrong.

            • Bea
              05/05/2009 at 11:26 PM

              Spike, even if they thought he was dead (didn’t check the pulse?), what person or persons could resist the urge to call 911 to “see” if he could be revived? And to decide, instead, to stab him? And then actually commit the act? Mind you, this is their FRIEND.

              Even if the circumstances you describe happened, it’s logical to first jump to the conclusion that 911 needed to be called “on the off chance” he could be helped. To think “well, maybe he IS dead so let’s stab him to cover our asses” – knowing that the stabbing will certainly kill him since they don’t plan to call an ambulance in time to do anything, and to let him lie there and bleed and suffer – well, it’s nothing more or less than cold-blooded murder. Takes the cliche “with friends like this, who needs enemies” to a whole new level.

              • Spike
                05/05/2009 at 11:32 PM

                That’s why I was suggesting that a drug could have lowered his pulse WAY down, and perhaps a person or people also on drugs couldn’t find the pulse, assumed there was none and totally freaked out.

                I think Price’s actions reveal an incredible sense of entitlement, the kind that can talk its way out of sexual assault charges. But even drugged out I don’t think he would believe he could get away with murder.

                • Bea
                  05/06/2009 at 12:53 AM

                  I do think Robert Wone was murdered, and maybe you don’t. I hope Joe doesn’t get away with it.

                  • Spike
                    05/06/2009 at 11:18 AM

                    Now seriously, you do know I’m not suggesting he wasn’t murdered, right?

                    I’m just trying to think of a scenario that doesn’t read like an outlandish police procedural TV show.

                    • Bea
                      05/06/2009 at 11:23 AM

                      But why? You’re doing backflips on this, so to me it does sound like you’re saying it wasn’t murder – like maybe an overdose, some bad thinking, which might be manslaughter, etc.. Good to hear.

                    • CDinDC
                      05/06/2009 at 11:34 AM

                      all in all, it’s pretty repugnant….drug/sex play gone wrong doesn’t make it any less sickening…..Robert Wone didn’t go into that house that night with the thought of leaving in a body bag the next morning. Even if the drug overdose theory pans out, it is beyond the pale to plunge a knife into a man’s chest…..for any reason.

                      And we’ve already had the discussion that these guys couldn’t possibly have done that because they are nice, fine upstanding young men. Pffft.

                      They WERE nice, fine upstanding young men, until they tampered with a crime scene. Then they turned into possible felons.

    • Anon. in Arlington
      05/05/2009 at 5:22 PM

      Facinating: Since you just read the document, you may find yourself over the next several hours and/or days saying, “Wait a minute… that does not make sense!” … among other things that have passed our lips. Its an interesting doc.

    • CDinDC
      05/05/2009 at 8:14 PM

      Fascinating, the last known use of the culuket@yahoo.com email was August 2008. He discussed the sidewalks (or something) on a dupont circle forum.

      Interestingly though, Joe’s culuket@yahoo.com email address is still active. He may rear his sooner or later.

      • Anon. in Arlington
        05/05/2009 at 9:37 PM

        Is it arrogance, stupidity, or oversight? We can only imagine….

    • 05/06/2009 at 4:22 PM

      I suspect there were three main decision-events related to Robert’s murder.

      The first was the decision by the perps to inject a final, lethal dose of drugs into Robert after he unexpectedly regained consciousness during their drug-induced massage/rape. The perps believed that this succeeded in killing Robert. This was all accomplished on the guest room bed.

      The second was their decision to make Robert’s death look like a stabbing murder and to, later that night, dispose of his body somewhere where it would not be found for a long time. With Joe obsessive-compulsive about cleanliness, great care was taken not to get the house or themselves bloody while creating the resemblance of a stabbing. The stabbings were not accomplished on the bed, but likely on tarps on the floor of the den. Unfortunately for them, someone unexpectedly “intruded” during this process and screamed.

      The third was their paranoid determination that any moment the police might arrive because of the scream. They decided to scrap their plans of removing Robert’s body from their house and instead hastily stage a scene in which some unknown intruder entered the house undetected and stabbed Robert. For this, Robert’s body was returned to the guest room bed.

      While possible, I remain unconvinced that Robert was stabbed in the shower. Joe and even Dylan would know that the massive amounts of blood loss – even when washed down with lots of water and cleaning fluids – would be still easily traceable in the old and crooked plumbing of their house. However, all of those involved did indeed ultimately shower as an added precaution should any of Robert’s blood have found its way through their rubber gloves and clothes (which they removed from the scene).

      • CDinDC
        05/06/2009 at 5:22 PM

        Hmmm….you definitely think it was a well-concocted premeditated crime.

        I have to disagree with you, Grisham.

        I think they were probably akin to the 3 stooges that night…..distracted, disorganized, running around frantically trying to create a crime scene. Hence, the blantant inconsistencies in crime scene AND statements.

        • 05/06/2009 at 5:55 PM

          The drugging and rape of Robert was certainly premeditated. In deed, it was likely well-concocted, discussed and fanaticized over weeks and even months in advance.

          The decision to murder Robert was not well-concocted in the very least. It was made hastily that evening, when the rape didn’t go as planned.

          The perps definitely did not act at all like the three Stooges in the short time they had to execute their plan and immaculately clean the site, as well has agree on a coherent story (consistent in many fictitious details) that they could present to the police.

          • CDinDC
            05/06/2009 at 7:14 PM

            agree 100% w/ paragraphs 1 and 2…..mostly w/ no. 3. They got a little “messy” little details. Of course, those little details may become messier with time. It will be interesting to hear the deposition answers (for the civil case when it gets the go ahead.)

            • 05/06/2009 at 7:43 PM

              And while being interrogated that evening, Joe was the first to figure out which of those stupid little details they “messed up” and would ultimately expose them. Fortunately, the MPD didn’t permit Joe to interrupt Dilweed and Victor’s interrogations in order to feed them those vital revisions necessary for maintaining their grandiose alibi.

              • CDinDC
                05/06/2009 at 8:27 PM

                Dilweed. Love it.

      • N.M.
        05/06/2009 at 11:25 PM

        “Old and crooked plumbing of their house” – no. The house was a total gut job before it was renovated. All of the pipes, wiring etc. would be new. Even the hookups to the city’s water supply (in the front of the house) and sewer (in the back of the house) would have to be new. Price etc were the first owners / residents after the renovation.

        • CDinDC
          05/07/2009 at 11:00 AM

          If my memory serves me, the patio drain was removed as evidence.

  6. Lance
    05/05/2009 at 9:43 PM

    Help me understand here. Why is it outrageous or arrogant to keep using one’s email address?

    • CDinDC
      05/05/2009 at 10:34 PM

      Stigma? But if you can take it, by all means….have at it.

  7. Anon. in Arlington
    05/05/2009 at 10:07 PM

    Ah Lance, I missed you.

    There are many unwritten rules of society and etiquette (or just “good form”) that seem to elude you and Joe. Most people who had an email address outlined in a published affidavit associated with murder would go to extreme measures to shut it down. Joe had to get crank emails and perhaps threatening emails at the culuket account, but how many emails of support would he get at this time at that email account? If you know the people well enough, you write to them and say “Dear friends: This is my new email account and please keep in touch.” (I also would never use my work email account to convey this either, but we addressed this last week.)

    There are just basic things people would do, guilty or not, to distance themselves from anything questionable and associated with a very public case.

    Even if he is out there looking to turn new tricks, its time for a new account. Any old tricks that wanted to be in touch using the old account just are not worth keeping around.

    • Lance
      05/06/2009 at 5:12 AM

      Most people who had an email address outlined in a published affidavit associated with murder would go to extreme measures to shut it down. Joe had to get crank emails and perhaps threatening emails at the culuket account, but how many emails of support would he get at this time at that email account?

      I’m still confused, mostly because I’m not sure how much of this I believe. First of all, I myself don’t typically go through affidavits and search warrants, looking for email addresses to send threatening emails to. So I’m not really convinced that he’d be getting crank/threatening emails to his account just because it appeared in an affidavit.

      Second, perhaps more importantly, I don’t quite understand what you mean by “published”. I don’t think the email address appears in the affidavit for arrest (which wouldn’t have been written until late 2008 in any case). It does appear in one of the search warrants from August 2006, but that wasn’t released until mid-January 2009. That’s when it was first discussed on this site as well; Google turns up no other hits for “culuket@yahoo.com”.

      So that’s why I’m confused–until the search warrants were released a few months ago, there wasn’t really anything connecting his email address to the murder, was there? (I mean, there’s still nothing connecting it to the murder; but there wasn’t anything connecting it to the investigation.)

      • Anon. in Arlington
        05/06/2009 at 11:55 AM

        I stand corrected Lance. The email address does not appear in the affidavit.

        However, I would argue that the email address was known to investigating officials. Joe is smart enough to know that his Alt.com profile (tied to this email address) was found by officials prior to our discussions here on the blog. He does not live in a vacuum where anything done after the night of 2 August 2006 is not open for dissecting. Moreover, one could question why he would use a sexually-charged handle in an email. Its “yahoo” – why not just create a new email account and start to merge friends and legit activities to something like jprice@yahoo or priceJD@yahoo, or any number of other addresses that are neither sexually charged or associated with his life prior to the murder that took place in his home.

        Changing that activity does not indicate guilt either. It depicts wanting to make a change in life or perhaps start anew. How he used that account prior to August 2006 was cataloged for the investigation into the murder of Robert Wone. By not using the account, he can set out of the limelight.

        • Anon. in Arlington
          05/06/2009 at 11:57 AM

          typo in last sentence: set = step

          And, in short, just disassociate yourself with the stuff Joe!

        • CDinDC
          05/06/2009 at 12:04 PM

          It’s in the Search Warrant.

        • CDinDC
          05/06/2009 at 12:10 PM

          Anon says: “It depicts wanting to make a change in life..”

          I like that. Good choice of words.

        • Fascinating
          05/06/2009 at 12:19 PM

          Anon, yes! That’s what I was saying below, but you said it better.

          I’m talking about propriety.

          I mean, “culuket” … It’s creative and maybe not everyone would figure it out. But it’s kind of like emailing everyone with bigmarybottom@yahoo.com or fistingisfun@yahoo.com or kinkydude@yahoo.com, ya know?

          After a murder happens in your house, and there are details released about a sexual assault … seems like it’d be time to stop using that email.

          • Anon. in Arlington
            05/06/2009 at 12:28 PM

            Yes Facinating – just like I had to drop my “BigTool4U” email account when it was used in a Sex in the City episode 🙂

            • CDinDC
              05/06/2009 at 12:35 PM

              Now wait a minute….didn’t you say your were a married straight women? ROFL Or am I getting my anonys mixed up? LOL

              • Anon. in Arlington
                05/06/2009 at 12:44 PM

                Nope – I am a gay male with big hairy pecs and a partner.

                There is an Anon. who is female as is N.M (I believe), and most-likely “Bea.”

                • CDinDC
                  05/06/2009 at 12:48 PM

                  I have my anons all mixed up. LOL

                  • N.M.
                    05/06/2009 at 11:28 PM

                    Straight lady here.

                • Bea
                  05/06/2009 at 12:50 PM

                  Garden variety lesbian here. I chose my screen name because many gay men assume all lesbians look like Bea Arthur (RIP)!

                  • Anon. in Arlington
                    05/06/2009 at 12:54 PM

                    Hmm… I think it is less of what Bea Arthur looked like, than her spirit and strength.

                  • Dupont Dweller
                    05/06/2009 at 11:38 PM

                    And a lot of people assume gay guys are all like Big Gay Al on South Park, which is sort of the direction for a lot of us I have to admit.

                    • Anon. in Arlington
                      05/07/2009 at 8:31 AM

                      Or “Mr. Garrison” from South Park perhaps?

                • Kenspeckled Souckar
                  05/06/2009 at 11:36 PM

                  no that’s Blonde Anon.

          • CDinDC
            05/06/2009 at 12:33 PM

            bigmarybottom. Hilarious.

      • Fascinating
        05/06/2009 at 12:00 PM

        Lance, I suppose what strikes me as odd about him using the email is that Price knew that computers were taken from his home and work and that the police probably had a record of his entire email history, his contact list, and the photos exchanged via Yahoo messenger.

        Now, we (i.e. the public) didn’t see the search warrants until 2009 — true.

        I don’t know … it just seems odd to me. And especially considering the meaning of the email ‘handle’ (i.e. culuket).

        Bottom line: to me it is another example that Joe Price doesn’t seem to know the meaning of propriety.

        • CDinDC
          05/06/2009 at 12:08 PM

          Fascinating says: ” … it just seems odd to me. And especially considering the meaning of the email ‘handle’ (i.e. culuket).”

          Oh, gawd, Fascinating….don’t go there. LOL The “purported” meaning! Lance’s feathers get ruffled over that.

          • Fascinating
            05/06/2009 at 12:14 PM

            LOL, CD.

            I think the meaning is obvious though. culu + ket = a bottom who enjoys ketamine

            Maybe I’m opening a can-o-worms, though.

            • Themis
              05/06/2009 at 1:16 PM

              Thanks for the enlightenment since I was flummoxed. I learned a lot of things in my sexuality and the law class but not enough for me to figure that out.

              As for the “blood” issues discussed above, I am betting that there was a “presumptive” test that showed areas on the walls and elsewhere that might be blood, e.g. luminol or such. Without a confirmatory test, there’s no way to know for sure. Also, if it was in fact blood, you would hope that a DNA profile would have bee developed from it and compared to Mr. Wone’s DNA profile. With todays technology, it takes only a very small sample to develop a profile.

              • CDinDC
                05/06/2009 at 1:30 PM

                Themis, they tore the holy hell out of the house, so I would imagine they tested all that appeared to be blood. One would, at least, hope they did.

                • Anon. in Arlington
                  05/06/2009 at 1:52 PM

                  And lets hope they start conducting tests on said samples for crying out loud!

            • Lance
              05/06/2009 at 4:15 PM

              CDinDC is right that my “feathers get ruffled” over this. Then again, when he rolls his eyes at me because I state that people post as if they don’t understand that speculations aren’t facts, well, this is exactly that sort of thing.

              So: no, not exactly “obvious”.

              • Anon. in Arlington
                05/06/2009 at 4:32 PM

                Lance: I support what you are saying, but I must admit, it takes a lot more energy to respond to posts on this blog if we all act as if we are in the courtroom. Nor are we all well versed in the nuances in some of the definitions we use (it depends on what your definition of “is” is). The free exchange of IDEAS as to what happens flows much more freely if we all establish that everything we write is a theory unless cited in a document.

                To have to use words such as theory, idea, conjecture, etc. to “soften” our statements, although true, may not be expected in a public forum such as this. At this point, it is “group think” and a norm that we are only postulating.

                • Lance
                  05/06/2009 at 6:22 PM

                  I understand the basic idea, Anon; it’s really just the fact that the “culuket” conjecture in particular was hugely speculative, and the meaning is by no means “obvious”, to use Fascinating’s word.

              • CDinDC
                05/06/2009 at 5:15 PM

                Lance says “when he rolls his eyes at me…..”.

                Hey, cut it out. I didn’t do anything. I was pointing out what drives you nuts! I even corrected it….the “purported” meaning, is what I said. So be nice, Lance.

              • CDinDC
                05/06/2009 at 5:25 PM

                And, Lance, I KNOW that speculations are not fact. The speculations thrown around this site are BASED on information in legal documents such as affidavits, search warrants, motions, etc.

                • Lance
                  05/06/2009 at 6:21 PM

                  Sorry, CD, I was referring to previous eye-rolling, not anything you posted here. And yes, speculation based on information is fine. The “culuket” thing, however, really is baseless speculation, and again, even if there were some genuine basis for the speculation, in this case it was presented by Fascinating as if it was established fact.

                  • Fascinating
                    05/07/2009 at 11:45 AM

                    Lance, I get what you’re saying.

                    I am posting here as an anonymous person interested in a crime in my neighborhood, so I am assuming that no one here would ever think that what I say is 100% factual, but merely my opinion.

                    I’m not a cop, I wasn’t there in 2006, and I haven’t worked behind the scenes to solve this crime, ya know?

                    For those reasons I don’t feel the need to preface my ponderings with disclaimers about factuality, ya know?

                    If I’m wrong here, someone let me know.

  8. Bea
    05/05/2009 at 10:51 PM

    CD, in that 2008 post Joe made, I thought it interesting that it said:

    “Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry”

    He’s probably good at drafting emails.

    • CDinDC
      05/05/2009 at 10:58 PM

      That sure answers the previous questions about reception. LOL

      • Themis
        05/06/2009 at 10:09 AM

        Although this is really neither here nor there, all of my emails sent from my Blackberry say that they are sent from my Blackberry. Personally it drives me insane because there are times when I don’t want a particular person to know that I am away from my home or work computer, which is also neither here nor there. Unfortunately, I am not tech savvy enough to eliminate that tag line.

        • CDinDC
          05/06/2009 at 10:33 AM

          Big brother. LOL

          • Bea
            05/06/2009 at 11:21 AM

            You have to go into preferences/settings. Once you do it, you kick yourself for having waited so long because it’s so simple. Been there.

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