Pride And Cowardice

Forget it Joe, it’s Chinatown

The following guest post comes from Arthur, a reader of ours from the Asian American community.  Arthur posted this back in the comments a week or so ago and we thought it deserved some bigger play.  Fore warned: he is passionate, articulate and pulls no punches here.  Arthur’s  been following the case long before we showed up, back when the online discussion seemed to be limited to sporadic and often incendiary volleys launched back and forth on Datalounge and some other boards. While we don’t necessarily associate ourselves with each of Arthur’s views, we’re happy to share this with those who may have missed it.

Reaching out to other members of the Asian American community remains important and hopefully this will be the first of more guest posts to come.  While we can’t speak for Asian Americans, two of the editors have their own personal ties to the community. Years ago one of us began courses in Mandarin while another’s ancestry is half Chinese. He grew up in a family where Chinese was spoken at one end of the dinner table and Spanish at the other.  If you count our Jewish editor’s heritage, Chinese cuisine obviously figured prominently in his upbringing too.  And as the story goes, the idea behind this site was hatched over steaming bowls of pho at one of Arlington’s finest Vietnamese restaurants, Nam Viet.

The Robert Wone Case and the Real Cowards

It’s ironic that Attorney General Eric Holder called Americans cowards for being reluctant to talk about race.  Holder was the attorney for the widow of the late Robert Wone, yet even he declined to name any possible suspects in the murderer case.  In contrast to the high profile reaction to the murder of Vincent Chin which was fairly well known even outside of the Asian American community, most Asians are unfamiliar with the case of the attorney for Radio Free Asia who was brutally stabbed one evening in 2006 while sleeping over with some old friends in DC.

It’s been called one of the most mysterious cases in DC since no one was charged with anything for over 2 years.  Yet even after the three men who lived at the house of the murder scene were finally charged at the end of 2008 with obstruction of justice, no one but anonymous blog commenters are willing to even speculate on the possible suspects.  The only thing mysterious is how such a slam dunk case could remain in such obscurity.

The residents of 1509 Swann Street seemed like nice enough neighbors.  Joe Price was a former attorney at the civil rights group Equality Virginia who knew Wone from their days at the College of William and Mary.  His partner Victor Zaborsky was one of the key players behind the “Got Milk” ads.  Dylan Ward was a trained massage therapist, a former spokesman at Equality Virginia, and published children’s books in Taiwan for “The House of the Tiger Aunt.”

Back in August of 2006, the police interrogated the three as primary suspects.  The people from the ambulance thought Wone looked like he had been dead for some time, not killed minutes before the phone call.  They were creeped out by the behavior and appearance of men in bathrobes just out of the shower carefully explaining how an intruder they claimed they did not see had accomplished the deed.  There were no signs of forced entry, nothing stolen, and it was odd the alleged murder knife was from their own kitchen.  It was obvious to detectives that the crime scene was tampered with and cleaned of blood.  Though lawyers for the three said their clients cooperated fully, the commander of the police homicide squad said they didn’t get believable answers as their story did not add up:  “Some of the information we were told, I just don’t believe.”  The FBI was called in to assist with gathering evidence as many parts of the house were removed, but for two years there was no news and no charges.

By late 2008 an affidavit showed the authorities had enough additional evidence to charge Price, Zaborsky and Ward with obstruction of justice.  It turns out the knife that actually would explain the wounds matched a knife that was missing from the knife set Ward kept in his bedroom. Bedroom??  A cadaver dog finding blood in a drain in back patio and in the clothes dryer, which indicated the intruder, or somebody else, used their uncoiled garden hose, and the dryer.

Authorities soon dismissed the intruder theory.  The lack of sign of struggle showed Wone was likely incapacitated with an injection, sexually assaulted  with his own semen found in his anal cavity, and then fatally stabbed.  Only the three men could have obstructed the investigation by cleaning the mess, lying about the time of death, moving the body, and planting blood stains and a knife.

And now, like the late Paul Harvey liked to say, for the Rest Of The Story.  The cops put their Gay & Lesbian Liaison Unit on the case.  Equality Virgina was a prominent gay rights organization.  Price and Zaborsky were registered domestic partners who lived in a “gayborhood” and were written up in USA Today when they generously helped a lesbian couple to conceive.  That probably explains why the only national coverage besides Asian outlets has been the gay press.  On the “Datalounge” discussion boards, they’ve basically convicted their favorite suspects as “even Trig Palin could solve this case”.

It was uncovered that Ward also had an “intimate “dominant-submissive sexual relationship with Price.  Some stories called Ward a “boy toy”.  In China his role might be like a concubine, but at least it’s not polygamy.  Price explained that Ward was treated as “part of the family”.  Many “intimate” photos with Ward were recovered from Price’s computer.  Ward’s favorite hobby seemed to be his extensive collection cataloged by the affidavit of “racks, shackles, metal and leather collars, wrist/ankle restraints, mouth gags, spandex hoods, clamps and clips, enema kit,.. p-rings, metal chains with locks, … nipple suction devices”.. well you get the idea.. There was even an electric shock device similar to those used for semen collection from animals which investigators wondered might account for the semen they found.

The author of the children’s book series also had a library of dutifully highlighted references on inflicting pain and enslavement for sexual for gratification.  A New Yorker magazine was opened to a picture of Shakespeare’s deathbed in a position eerily similar to Wone’s body.  Internet boards carried speculation that the Taiwan-savvy Ward was a “rice queen” with a fetish for Asians.  They were not your average neighbors.  The October 27, 2008 affidavit against Dylan Ward concludes: “all three obstructed justice by altering and orchestrating the crime scene, planting evidence, delaying the report … and [lying about the true circumstances] when interviewed.”

Discussion boards speculated that “Little Red Riding Hood” on Wikipedia might have been Dylan Ward himself.  He declared war on the “Murder of Robert Eric Wone” because “he wasn’t notable before he died, he still isn’t notable.  His death is not notable, either” (Vincent Chin has also weathered similar non-notable challenges).  He even initiated a process which within one day, vigilant LGBT advocates banned a hapless user entirely from any article concerning gay issues after he called out that Wone was a victim of a hate crime after a history of challenging gay issues.

Is the Asian American movement’s ceaseless dedication to gay rights getting in the way of turning this case into the next Vincent Chin?  In the case of the young Jesse Dirkhising, his molesting, torture and murder in 1999 led conservatives at the Media Research Center to observe “Had he been openly gay and his attackers heterosexual, the crime would have led all the networks.  But no liberal media outlet has as its villains two gay men.”  Indeed, no conservative, not even our own fearless Michelle Malkin has touched the case with a ten foot pole.

This should not turn into yet another reason to hate or hurt upstanding members of the LGBTQ community.  It disheartened me back in college when walking by the weekly vandalizing of the gay bulletin board.  LGBT rank with Asians as the Americans with the highest education and achievement, while suffering from more indignities.  However, political correctness cannot be allowed to trump justice.  Horrible crimes are committed by Americans of every race, creed, gender and subculture.  I have absolutely no idea who killed Robert Eric Wone, but I’m sure somebody out there is brave and clever enough to figure it out.

-posted by the editors

21 comments for “Pride And Cowardice

  1. 03/11/2009 at 7:38 PM

    fabulous post; bravo. the real killer reads this blog, i bet. i also bet she could be a ricequeen with her own enema kit! anyone want to guess?

  2. Lance
    03/11/2009 at 7:39 PM

    It’s an interesting summary; and I applaud the care taken to mark what’s fact and what’s speculation in at least some of the cases (e.g. the Wikipedia article). There are assertions in here I’d nevertheless argue against, such as “They were not your average neighbors”; setting aside sexual activities, they seem like your average neighbors to me. (Disclaimer: I’ve lived in some strange neighborhoods.)

    I also don’t think it’s fair to say that “no one but anonymous blog commenters are willing to even speculate on the possible suspects. The only thing mysterious is how such a slam dunk case could remain in such obscurity.” As has been observed elsewhere, neither respectable journalists nor responsible lawyers can speculate openly; the former must maintain neutrality, and the latter risk prejudicing the case. And the very fact that it took two years to even manage obstruction charges suggests to me that this is by no means a “slam dunk case”; from what I’ve seen, it’s a case full of circumstantial evidence and reasonable doubt.

    (Also, I really, really hope the editors were being facetious when they touted the fact that they eat Chinese food as a “tie to the Asian-American community”.)

    • Doug
      03/11/2009 at 8:08 PM

      Lance,

      Thanks as always for your thoughts. And to your final point; no, we do not consider our fondness for Vietnamese pho to be any but the most tenuous link to the Asian American community at best. More just a nod to the great cuisine Mrs. Thoi has always offered at Nam-Viet in Arlington, and our editorial bond born over dinner there that began this enterprise.
      — Doug (an editor)

      • Lance
        03/11/2009 at 9:32 PM

        Oh, good. I’m probably just irritated that I haven’t found good Vietnamese food in Philadelphia. Perhaps a field trip to DC is in order.

    • L.
      03/12/2009 at 10:10 AM

      I agree that its a case full of circumstancial evidence – like almost all cases. But I disagree with the statement that it is full of reasonable doubt. I think the circumstancial evidence is very strong.

  3. SwannStObserver
    03/12/2009 at 10:24 AM

    If there is anything remotely resembling a point to “Pride and Cowardice,” would someone please tell us?

    It’s really amazing how many Washingtonians got through college without learning effective writing and composition.

  4. SwannStObserver
    03/12/2009 at 10:36 AM

    P.S. Yes, the victim was Asian-American.

    Relevance?

    I mean, please, spare us the “we have Asian friends” prefaces, the presumed credit for allowing someone the column space for a disjointed ramble that mentions race (for some reason that isn’t actually made clear by the, um, essay).

    The race of the victim is an absolute irrelevancy. What could it possibly mean for this case? What, that he was more or less likely to be closeted (than, say, a young white laywer)? Or, if he was hetero, that he was more or less likely to be comfortable staying overnight in the home of a gay friend? Was his blood a different color? The pain and confusion of his family any different?

    The only thing that’s interesting about the victim’s race is that it is interesting at all to some observers. What a bunch of race-objectifying nonsense. And I’ve only, only, heard it from people in the gay community. Not a single hetero friend has said boo about the fact that Wone was Asian-American. It’s only coming from my gay friends, I’m embarrassed for them, and I’m not alone in that reaction.

    • vincentchin
      03/27/2009 at 3:54 PM

      Of course race has a lot to do with it, just as nobody wants to state the obvious that this has asian and gay written all over it. That’s probably why nobody will touch it except for the gay and Asian American press. Ward published books in Taiwan and probably had other Asian friends. There are rumours that he had an Asian fetish. There was an comment on Asian week that the man was murdered by a “h—-l” gang. A guy was booted from Wikipedia for saying the guy was probably murdered for his race and his sexuality. There are plenty of white and black criminals who stalk primarily Asian women. This is only more of the “it has nothing to do with g**” or “nothing to do with race” and in fact, this whole thing and the guy wasn’t notable at all. If this guy were jewish and killed by a guy with a jewish fetish, there would be hell to pay, but Asian topics get erased from Wikiedia all the time, while gay or jewish topics and categories on anything at all are all over the place. Asians are absolutely an underrepresented and powerless minority when it comes to getting their story told as well as other more powerful interest groups.

  5. Craig
    03/12/2009 at 2:45 PM

    SSO – Thanks for the note. As much as I’d like to spend the time & bandwidth debating grammar and writing styles, I’ll offer that in our opinion Arthur’s Asian-American perspective is relevant. He gave this site its first glimpse into the thoughts of a group that is closely following this case.

    We believe the perceived latent and sometimes overt homophobia in their community is relevant to the discussion. We’ve found that a victim’s heritage or skin color is relevant and proportional to the headlines and media attention a crime garners. And how this crime is being discussed in the Chinese-American community is relevant too.

    Speaking of key constituencies, just as relevant if not more so would be the perspective from an actual Swann Street observer. Do you or did you live on the 1500 block? If so, were you interviewed by the police? Have any private investigators or journalists talked with you? Were you friends with the housemates and did you or any of your neighbors socialize with them? What’s been the chatter among your neighbors over the last 2 years? We’re all ears.

    Craig (editor guy)

  6. SwannStObserver
    03/12/2009 at 3:28 PM

    I appreciate the response, but to be honest, I can’t for the life of me find a single point or the “Asian-American perspective” in the nearly 1,200 words of “Pride and Cowardice.” More like a summary of the arresting document, with some racial hint here and there, with no real point. If I missed it, hey, hit me with your best summary shot.

    “Perceived latent and sometimes overt homophobia in their community”? Again, relevance to this crime? Really, someone take a crack at that, because “Pride and Cowardice” nailed it about as accurately as a paper plane tossed into a headwind.

    Yes, I was questioned…by a neighbor who saw me dance with Asian cuties at Badlands once. Honest to God, he wanted to know if I knew whether Wone was gay. I laughed, he didn’t get it, and on to my grocery shopping went I.

    You know, this completely irrelevant racial stuff is about as spot on as a relative’s neighbor at Thanksgiving saying “Ohhhh, Dupont Circle, do you know a Keith something or other, and his ‘friend'”? Like you’re supposed to know all the gays.

    Dopey then, dopey now.

  7. Anonymous Person
    03/12/2009 at 10:25 PM

    I am also slightly offended by this blanket statement, “We believe the perceived latent and sometimes overt homophobia in their community is relevant to the discussion.” “Their community”? As if white people as a group are so welcoming of homosexuality? First, you like to frame Arthur Hu’s commentary as representing Asian Americans. That is just his own opinion, and I agree with him, but good for Arthur for voicing his own anger over Wone’s murder. Second, you stereotype Robert and “his community” as a bunch of old-fashioned homophobes. Did you know that Robert was a fourth-generation American, didn’t even speak Chinese (much less Mandarin), was open-minded and had a diverse group of friends, and was supportive of gay rights? That comment, coupled with your straining to draw some link to Wone by mentioning eating pho, is like someone saying he knows all about queer folks and how they think from watching ‘Father of the Bride.’

    • vincentchin
      03/27/2009 at 5:06 PM

      ***Second, you stereotype Robert and “his community” as a bunch of old-fashioned homophobes. Did you know that Robert was a fourth-generation American, didn’t even speak Chinese (much less Mandarin), was open-minded and had a diverse group of friends, and was supportive of gay rights?***

      Wow, that’s interesting. I never heard that. You obviously are quite sophisticated in your knowledge of Chinese dialects, though the term “Chinese” could refer to any of the many spoken dialects. Are you Asian or caucasian? Can you speak mandarin? If so, how and when did you learn Mandarin? Have you ever been to Taiwan, China or Hong Kong? We know very little of Ward’s connections to Asia or Asians, only that he established a publishing house for books written in Chinese in Taiwan. Nothing else in his biography or information about his parents gives us any background, though there are some,but not many Westerners with similar connections to Asia.

      There is nothing in the article that states that Wone was anything other than a trusted friend who was supportive of friends whose relationships he was fully aware of (though he was probably not aware of the depth of Ward’s extensive collection) What is your source for this? You’d either had to know him as well as Price and his housemates, who would probably be among the few people who would know such things, or know them personally it would seem.

      You would probably know these people well enough to speak authoritatively on whether there is any substance to the rumor that any of the 3 might have had an Asian fetish, or whether Wone was as exclusively heterosexual as the authorities have maintained. Please tell us more about Mr. Wone as obviously you are privy to much more information than you have revealed here.

      Why do you think that the Asian community wouldn’t take a special interest in a fellow that was murdered by 3 white men, all of a persuasion that many politically incorrect Asians have a particular antipathy towards?

      • Anonymous Person
        04/04/2009 at 1:32 PM

        Whoa whoa whoa…. Arthur, this is just plain silly. If you look at SwannStObserver’s other comments throughout this site, you will see that it is very unlikely that s/he is Dylan Ward. And I am certainly NOT him. Calm down. Did it ever cross your mind that some of the people checking out this site either knew Robert personally or know a friend of his. Look at the Facebook group. Many of those people were friends with Robert. So just because I know a little extra about him does not make me Dylan Ward. Besides, you know me. I am Asian. If I had your personal email I would contact you so you don’t need to get all hyped up over nothing.

        • VincentChin
          04/05/2009 at 11:59 PM

          Whoa? How do we know you’re not Mr. observer? You’re saying that you AND he knew that he supported gay causes, was 4th generation removed from China, and could not speak Mandarin? Would YOU consider him to be an “Asian cutie”?? If either of you knew him well, is there any possibility that this stay was for a quick clandestine fling with gay friends, despite the conclusion that he was entirely straight?

          Mr SwanSt doesn’t think Ward did it, he doesn’t think the collection of S&M stuff which by the listing in the affadavitis more extensive than my garage full of collectible junk is at all notable or worth apologizing about vs any other culture vs say, Jewish or polygamist Mormon.

          It’s all quite consistent with what we know about Mr. Ward. If you are indeed Asian and you knew that Wone could not speak Chinese, why did he not come forward but instead told this information in response to the above piece where there exists no other mention of this fact, and the tone seems to be disdainful, as if a caucasian who not only spoke but published books in Taiwan/Chinese would think less of an Asian American for not speaking Mandarin? If nurseryrhymes and SwanSt and all the other bloggers who similarly have dismissed or attempted to remove the efforts of this and other blogs is consistent, it paints a picture of someone whose only interest in this man could indeed be a matter of an S&M/Asian fetish hobby, and shows absolutely no remorse and would never confess or acknowledge such a deed if it was true.

          If such posts could be analyzed by those who read this blog, it could indeed help solve who committed the crime, and who indeed had the time to collect and place semen, suffocate, stab, clean up, hose himself down and put his clothes in the dryer, and place the body in a position identical to the magazine found in Ward’s bedroom, put blood on a cloth and on a knife from the kitchen, while removing evidence of paralytic drugs and the knife which matched the wounds from the knife set in Ward’s bedroom.

          It’s a total mystery to anyone who could possibly done any of these things.

        • VincentChin
          04/06/2009 at 12:06 AM

          * “Robert was a fourth-generation American, didn’t even speak Chinese (much less Mandarin), was open-minded and had a diverse group of friends, and was supportive of gay rights?”

          * “Yes, I was questioned…by a neighbor who saw me dance with Asian cuties once. Honest to God, he wanted to know if I knew whether Wone was gay. I laughed, he didn’t get it, and on to my grocery shopping went ”

          * “There is nothing to indicate that discrimination played any role in this murder. Racial objectification in social discourse or attitudes is one thing, but when it comes to sexual desire, attraction to physical traits is dangerous to debate.”

          * “for allowing someone the column space for a disjointed ramble that mentions race * “The race of the victim is an absolute irrelevancy. What could it possibly mean for this case? What, that he was more or less likely to be closeted (than, say, a young white laywer)? Or, if he was hetero, that he was more or less likely to be comfortable staying overnight in the home of a gay friend? Was his blood a different color? The pain and confusion of his family any different?

          The only thing that’s interesting about the victim’s race is that it is interesting at all to some observers. What a bunch of race-objectifying nonsense. And I’ve only, only, heard it from people in the gay community. Not a single hetero friend has said boo about the fact that Wone was Asian-American. It’s only coming from my gay friends, I’m embarrassed for them, and I’m not alone in that reaction.”

          • VincentChin
            04/06/2009 at 12:10 AM

            Hmmm.

            SwannStObserver
            March 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM
            “What is it about us gay men that we think we can make a disaster of our sex lives…”

            What a horrible and inaccurate statement to make about all men who happen to be gay. Please speak for yourself, and in doing so, I’d strongly discourage echoing Right-wing talking points. Trying to live, or act, in fierce juxtaposition to smears is never productive nor spiritually fulfilling. Fighting for our God-given rights is what matters. Joseph Price has surely ruined his life, but that doesn’t negate the tangible good that his pro bono work on behalf of lgbt rights will have for countless beneficiaries over the future years. Your reaction is akin to the false and overly broad damnation that many people had for the troubled Marion Barry, i.e. suggesting that his behavior somehow was a mark against all African-Americans, or even that his good work early in the civil rights movement was somehow directly negated. I hope we can look back, now, with a dispassionate eye: Barry’s troubles were his alone, just as any troulbes Price has are his own. I feel no need to apologize for Price, just as no heterosexual is expected to apologize for troubled persons of that orientation.

            SwannStObserver
            March 23, 2009 at 12:44 PM
            I agree that selfishness should be avoided and challenged wherever it is found. But, how is a cultural obsession with looks, sex, and self aggrandizement unique to the gay community, in existence or proliferation? It’s not. There’s nothing that happened in 1509 Swann that hasn’t happened in heterosexual households. Ever watch Dateline?

            SwannStObserver
            March 23, 2009 at 1:48 PM
            One thing very unique to elements of the lgbt community is its insularity from non-lgbt social circles. Specifically, it shocks most lgbt persons to realize the countless heterosexual leather devotees, hookup sites, sex clubs, and more.

            Again, there is nothing that happened inside 1509 Swann Street for which persons who happen to be gay have to offer any specific apologies or analysis from that community’s perspective.

            SwannStObserver
            March 23, 2009 at 6:04 PM
            As a friend once said: hang out long enough at a gay leather bar, and you’ll get more baking recipes than rough action.

            CDinDC
            March 24, 2009 at 8:21 PM
            it would be interesting to hear from someone regarding how Price/Zaborsky’s relationship changed (for better or worse) after Ward occupied the extra bedroom.

            Perhaps Zaborsky enjoyed the dynamic. Or not.

            Reply

            SwannStObserver
            March 25, 2009 at 11:16 AM
            This is probably the crux of the case, at this point: Zaborsky’s mood and actions going forward. Has he fully awakened to the situation into which he has been placed, by his own initial agreement, and the actions of that night? And even if that is fully realized, what continues to bind him to the other two, what is the strongest part of that connection, and what is the weakest part?

  8. Robert A Spiegel, Esq.
    03/17/2009 at 5:53 AM

    Have participated in every major and most human
    rights struggles of the past 50 years including anti-
    war before troops in Vietnam, civil rights before
    1963 March and Gay Rights before Stonewall.

    For what it is worth: I have since childhood had a
    special relationship with the Asian community in
    general & since adulthood had special relationship
    with the Gay Asian community in particular.

    From the start, I have expressed my concern about
    GLBT community wishing that these activists are
    innocent. Similarly, Asian Americans hoped that
    Korean Cho was not guilty of slayings at VA Tech.

    Much as most Blacks — including Gay Blacks — do
    NOT know who was Bayard Rustin (the Gay Black
    Quaker who mentored Martin Luther King), most
    Asians — including Gay Asians — do NOT know
    who was Vincent Chin. Documentary interviewed
    99 students at major California University. Not 1
    student knew who was VC or anything related!

    Sorry to report being member of minority group
    does not immunize one from discriminating v.
    others. The fact is that minorities who perceive
    themselve as victims of prejudice are among the
    greatest discriminators against other minorities!

    This includes not only GLBT community which
    discriminates against even its own members on
    the basis of class, race, ethnicity, gender, ability
    and age; but the Asian community with biases
    against its own members on the basis of class,
    ethnicity, gender, ability, age and orientation!

    Unfortunately, law cases are not commonly like
    common basketball games. Were the Wone case a
    “slam dunk,” the game would have been over long
    time ago. It is interest of law enforcement to close
    cases — even more so high profile case such as this.

    Though you may feel that Wone case is not getting
    the attention it deserves, it is nevertheless a high
    profile case which has been subject of multitude
    of print & broadcast news. I can cite numerous
    assaults and murders of Asian Americans who
    have not received same interest or attention.

    For a combo of reasons, suspect speculation about
    suspects by journalists — let alone L enforcement
    authorities — might make one feel good in short
    run but hurt prospect for conviction in long run.

    There is a difference between cooperation on the
    part of a defendant in the eyes of defense attorney
    and the lack of veracity on the part of a defendant
    which may be unknown to his or her attorney.

    Suborning perjury is a serious crime. An atty who
    knowingly enables defendant to give false statemt
    under oath — outside or inside the courtroom —
    subjects himself to fine and imprisonment!

    The reason FBI had to belatedly remove sections
    of the house for examination (usually not nec)
    is on account of combination of incompetent
    crime scene investigation by DCMPD and/or
    absence of District forensics laboratory.

    Even with those sections of the house in hand,
    law enforcement authorities may not have the
    evidence they need to convict. For all we know,
    that after-the-fact gathered evidence may be
    inadmissably tainted and thus of no value.

    What may be obvious evidence tampering to you
    me and the lampost may not be sufficient for a
    conviction on that charge — let alone murder.

    Similarly: others, you or I may think obvious that
    Ward, Price and Zaborsky are guilty of obstructing
    justice. This does not mean either that the three
    are the only ones who could possibly obstruct
    justice in this case or that the evidence is
    sufficient for conviction on that charge.

    There is a reason that “circumstantial evidence”
    bears that title — it is not considered to be as
    strong as direct and other forms.

    I hate to burst your bubble but the fact that person
    is into BDSM or has an Asian fetish does not prove
    guilt of given crime. And this is probably a good
    thing for all of us not true in most of the world.

    For example, the following are all “crimes” which may be punishable by imprisonment or death and without trial: 1) in China, being a member of pro-religion Falun Gong; 2) in Korea, establishing Gay website; 3) in post-war Vietnam, being Hmong or
    Montagnard; 4) in Burma, being Aung San Suu Kyi follower; 5) in Cambodia, being ethnic Chinese; 6) in India or Pakistan, being GLBT; and list goes on.

    So far as who are your “average neighbors”? Some
    of those not considered average neighbors include:
    Blacks, Jews, GLBT, HIV, Blind, Deaf — & Asians!

    Remember the Japanese internment; channeling
    of Chinese into feminizing occupations; using
    Filipinos as slave agricultural labor; Asian
    Exclusion Acts? Not average neighbors!

    FYI: what group is subject to the second largest
    absolute number of hate crimes in America? Jews!
    what group is subject to the first largest per capita
    number of hate crimes in America? Jews!

    While it is not okay to talk about a Black culture, question Latino bilingualism or inquire into Asian ancestry, it is perfectly okay for so-called “people of color” to lump all Jews, Irish, Italians and Poles as well as WASPS into one group called variously Caucasians (race term), Euro-Americans (geo term) or Whites (color term)? And this NWST their radically different socioeconomic histories!

    • vincentchin
      03/27/2009 at 4:52 PM

      there is some tension between the average clueless Asian American rank and file who if anything a bit more racist and homophobic than the average American, as compared to the politically correct activists, which may have led to Wone letting down his guard a bit. You are probably correct that among Asians who did not go to college and take at least 1 ethnic studies course, they are probably not familiar with the Vincent Chin case, and the periodic attempts to delete WP articles such as Vincent Chin is part of the rank wiki-racism going on which what happens when a place like that is based largely on mob rule. The Asian American press, particularly the english language papers are all 300% for affirmative action and gay rights, but that’s not at all indicative of what the average Asian in America thinks.

  9. SwannStObserver
    03/17/2009 at 11:20 AM

    Yes, all people are capable of discrimination. There is nothing to indicate that discrimination played any role in this murder. Racial objectification in social discourse or attitudes is one thing, but when it comes to sexual desire, attraction to physical traits is dangerous to debate.

    • vincentchin
      03/27/2009 at 4:02 PM

      so mr observer, would you say that Mr Wone would be notable enough for a wikipedia article? Have you ever written anything there? Have you ever tried to get an article speedily deleted? Would you say his death was notable? How would you explain the knife that was missing from Ward’s bedroom, and why would he keep a set of knives there instead of the kitchen? Would an intruder have the time to hose himself down and put clothes in the dryer?

  10. vincentchin
    03/28/2009 at 8:45 PM

    Mr SwannStObserver sounds a LOT like Mr. Ward. If this is true, and he was Mr. nurseryrhymes, it is shocking how cold he is towards Mr Wone, especially if he claims to know Mr. Wone enough to know his generational status and his languages. I even detect a bit of disdain that this man, like Mr Ward probably does speak mandarin better than one who has never grown up in China or taken the language, and might be proud of it. What does strike people is how cold and matter of fact these so-called friends have been about the murder, and how many of these anonymous comments and people have tried to bury this murder that so far has managed to stay under the radar of national mainstream media. How could any person have committed such a act against such a friend and then claim that the man was not notable, the murder was not notable, that the murder has absolutely nothing to do with LGBT or Asian identity, and neither does the piece above. If the man is innocent, great. But if he isn’t, I can only pray for his soul and that god gives him mercy for any crimes he may have committed.

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